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Carlier & Bernard vs François André Philidor
Miscellaneous Game 1780  ·  Chess variants (000)  ·  1-0


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Aug-21-05   turkishgrandmaster: Where is the f7 pawn?
Aug-21-05   offramp: It's over there, look.
Aug-21-05   misguidedaggression: <sfm> So this is the "rench defence" then?
Jun-28-06   joe barnett: lol offramp
Sep-19-06   Philid0r: seriously, could someone actully explain why the pawn is missing? Make fun all u want, i'm sure there was a time someone had to explain it to you...
Sep-19-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  technical draw: It's pawn and move odds. Not a mistake cause the check 4.Qh5 would not have been possible.
Nov-15-06   Milo: <Philid0r> Carlier and Bernard were weaker players than Philidor, so to make the game even, Philidor played without his f pawn.
Dec-22-06   strobane: This is the oldest game I have found on cg. Are there older ones?
Dec-22-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Yes, this is the oldest on record (here) Castellvi vs Vinyoles, 1475
Mar-04-07   MaltaCross: Shouldn't White have played 6. Qxh8, instead of 6. Bf4 ?
Mar-04-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  aazqua: Chess certainly was gay in those days.
Mar-04-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  geraldo8187: <malta> white can't play that because the queen is pinned to the king.
Apr-08-07   2021: <stobane> There actually 101 chessgames (in chessgames.com) that were played before 1780.

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Oct-12-07   wolfmaster: <MaltaCross> The queen is pinned, so it can't move horizontally or diagonally until it is unpinned.
Dec-26-07   cyanfish: <sfm> 1... e5 isn't so good because 2. Qh5+ picks up a second pawn and a big attack after 2... Ke7 (2... g6 3. Qxe5+ Qe7 4. Qxh8 ) 3. Qxe5+ Kf7 4. Bc4+ .
Jan-29-08   wolfmaster: If you're going to play a pawn down, you would choose the f-pawn because it is the least pushed usually of all the pawns.
Jan-30-08   HNP: Carlier & Bernard prove they are too strong to be given odds of a pawn. Or maybe Philidor ought to have played them separately!

Still, it's always fascinating to watch Philidor marshal his pawns. The French Revolution was less than a decade away. Ironically, Philidor found himself in England when it happened, and proscribed by the revolutionaries, his aristocratic background counting for more with them than his championship of the "third estate" on the chessboard.

Mar-06-08   MaltaCross: <geraldo8187> <wolfmaster> Thanks for pointing out the pin !
Oct-03-08   GrahamClayton: This is the earliest surviving Philidor game. Unfortunately no games survive where he does not give odds to his opponents.
Dec-31-08   WhiteRook48: a Philidor miniature... no, he loses!!
Jan-01-09   WhiteRook48: it's the winner's only game in the database. In some bad cases it's the loser's only game in the database. I wonder what would happen if it was Philidor's only game in the database... LOL
Jan-03-09   WhiteRook48: the rench deense
Jan-05-09   WhiteRook48: obviously the extra pawn proved too much for Philidor, so one pawn makes all the difference.
Jan-10-09   WhiteRook48: "Pawns are the soul of chess"
Jan-19-09   WhiteRook48: why 18. Na3?
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