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|Jan-27-05|| ||cu8sfan: Sparks? What's Sparks? Thanks. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||ughaibu: Cu8sfan: It's a drink, presumably caffeine laden, mentioned in the profile. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||cu8sfan: OK, thanks. I agree with <square dance> by the way - without the swearing. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||Open Defence: hey i don't know why midnight duffer is taking my name in a post which does not make sense to me, is this a moderated medium ? if so i request that his post be deleted |
|Jan-27-05|| ||euripides: <Open Dev> I noticed Midnight Duffer do this to another kibitzer yesterday. Whoever <MD> is, they appear to be either making unpleasant comments for fun, or in need of some professional help. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||cu8sfan: Well he's not bothering me anymore, I've had enough of him already. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||Open Defence: ok a general nut case then |
|Jan-27-05|| ||Catfriend: That another kibitzer was me:)
And I still claim he's trying to break all 4 <chessgames> posting guidelines!
|Jan-27-05|| ||rajalakshmanan: Great game by Judith...I think Topolov thought a draw was always within his reach...but Judith played a nice game to carve a nice win.... |
|Jan-27-05|| ||tpstar: <MidnightDuffer> This is classic Projection where a victim of violence searches so hard for potential damage that they find it everywhere, even out of nowhere. The typical context involves previous physical or sexual abuse with permanent emotional scarring, often changing the individual for good. You need immediate Psychiatric evaluation to address these unresolved feelings of anger and betrayal by whomever. In the meantime, this is the fourth instance where you have labeled someone here a "stalker" out to "harass" you, which amount to blatantly false accusations. If you continue on this path, and then were actually bothered by anyone here, who would take you seriously? Get help now. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||beenthere240: If I remember correctly, acirce found the drawing variation while we were all watching the game, which makes it even more impressive. It may have been psychologically hard for Topalov to bail in to a draw, however, and the idea of pulling off an attack (given the time crunch) may have been irresistable. More likely he decided it would be better to be down a bad knight than down a good rook. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||arielbekarov: <chessgames.com> I strongly urge you to remove the posting of <MidnightDuffer>
immediately, where "Open defence" is named.
Such postings should NOT be long at the messageboard.
We are not here for hurting each other.
The whole posting including his profile is absurd !
|Jan-27-05|| ||JohnBoy: <chessgames> - eliminate the MidnightDuffer post and get rid of that guy. No room for that sort of stuff here.|
<acirce> - nice find with the 24.Qxd7, 25.Rg1 line. Was this w/ prog, or are you that damned good? I'm impressed.
|Jan-27-05|| ||acirce: No, I'm not that good. Computer line. No need to be impressed.|
I always try to check with computers before posting analysis. That's almost a duty if you have the possibility, at least to avoid posting complete trash involving stupid blunders and waste other people's time with it. But it doesn't mean I turn my brain off.
|Jan-27-05|| ||JohnBoy: I don't have a prog and almost never set up a board. Time and family considerations (like having my 3 yr old in my lap as I post). I try to avoid posting drivel, but make silly mistakes sometimes. I don't consider it a duty to check the analysis thoroughly, but do appreciate your postings. I play at about 2250 and am often very impressed with what you come up with. Keep up the thoughtful postings. |
|Jan-27-05|| ||euripides: <acirce> I don't think people should be discouraged from trying out their own uncomputed ideas here, much as I appreciate the great usefulness of your posts. It's not a complete waste of time to see what's wrong with someone else's idea - good for the ego and occasionally for the grey cells, no ? |
|Jan-27-05|| ||acirce: Well, I surely don't want to discourage anyone from anything. Maybe sounded a bit harsh to talk about waste of time, but if you have the possibility to blundercheck with computer help, I'd still say it's better to do that than to publish faulty analysis, be it in a book or on a message board. If you don't, go on! :-)
And it's of course a difference between loose suggestions/questions and more or less categorical statements like "This line is better and should lead to a draw". |
|Jan-27-05|| ||arielbekarov: I did make a try to make a more wordly analyse as a first impression after a quickly look, where I pointed at some vital moments during the game.
I am quite aware of that a real analyse requires suggesting different lines.|
I don't even have a computer of my own, and I have just seen "Fritz" and all the others on photo.
I hope, I can continue, because I like to learn it very well !
One has to start somewhere.
It would be interesting for me, if you just could have a look a little bit earlier on this thread, and tell me unmercifully what you think.
You will learn from teaching me !
|Jan-27-05|| ||chessgames.com: <Chessgames.com when is the next live game please?> It's tomorrow morning at 7:30am EST. The game will be Leko vs. Bruzon.|
<MidknightDuffer> Please try to keep the subject revolving around chess and do not single out other users for harassment. If another user is actually harassing you, contact firstname.lastname@example.org with the details and we'll look into it.
|Jan-28-05|| ||arjunkakar: i think topolov would be very disspointed with this game, like to forget it fast. Going two pices down an in the way he did, was quiet shocking especially considering how good a form he has been in this tournament. I guess an off day perhaps. |
|Jan-30-05|| ||antoni: I can't see how white is winning even if Polgar falls for Topalov's trap with 23...Red8 instead of 23...PxB! After 23...Red8 24. Rxc6 black simply plays 24...PxB and now 25. QxP+ Kh8 26. RxR RxR. In this variation, blacks threatens 26...Rc1+ followed by 27...f3+ winning a rook for nothing. What can white do about it?
If instead of 26. RxR, white plays 26. BxN then 26...RxR 27. QxR QxB and black is up a peice. There must be something I'm missing. Can someone help me? |
|Feb-12-05|| ||Albertan: Here is some analysis of this game (my comments plus the analysis of the program Junior 9 )Part 1:|
Topalov,V (2754) - Polgar,J (2728) [E15]
Corus 2005 (10), 26.01.2005
[Junior 9 ]
E15: Queen's Indian: 4 g3 sidelines, 4 g3 Ba6 and 4 g3 Bb7 early deviations
The Jnior 9 chess program evaluated this game as being a model game for tactical play. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 The Queen's Gambit. 2...e6 Opening the diagonal for her bisjop. 3.Nf3 He indicates a willingness to play against a Queen's Indian Defense. 3...b6 4.g3 The strongest reply to Black's idea of playing ...Bb7 . Then the White bishop would fight for control of the light-squared bishop and the White bishop is better protected than the black one. 4...Ba6!? Nimzovitch's paradoxical idea.She attac ks his unprotected c-pawn winning a tempo. 5.b3 The most popular plan for White at this stage of the game.Topalov supports his d-pawn which gives the Black bishop little mobility. 5...Bb4+ The most often played move in this position, she forces Topalov to decide how he will block the check, 6.Bd2 The move usually played here. Now Polgar must decide what she is going to do with her bishop. 6...Be7 The most popular idea, returning the bishop to where it can defend the Black kingside. [ Analysis:Rarely played is the move 6...Bxd2+ 7.Qxd2 c6 8.Bg2 d5 9.0-0 0-0] 7.Nc3 Topalov completes the development of his minor pieces. [ Analysis:Ususually in this position, White plays the move 7.Bg2: 7.Bg2 c6 8.Bc3 d5 9.Ne5 Nfd7 10.Nxd7 Nxd7 11.Nd2 0-0 12.0-0 Rc8 13.e4 c5 14.exd5 exd5 15.dxc5 dxc4 16.c6 cxb3 17.Re1 Bb5 18.axb3 Bxc6 19.Bxc6 Rxc6 20.Rxa7 Bf6] 7...0-0 8.Rc1N This move seems to be a novelty for this position,He centralizes his rook. [ I found that White had (prior to this game) played three different moves at this stage of the game: (a) 8.Bg2 ;
(b) 8.e4 ;
(and (c) 8.Qc2 .] 8...d5 The move Junior 9 was going to play, gaining influence in the center. 9.cxd5 He decides to create a half-open c-file for himself. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 9.Bg5 dxc4 10.bxc4 c5 11.Bg2 Bb7 12.0-0 cxd4 13.Nxd4 Bxg2 14.Kxg2 h6 15.Bxf6 Bxf6 =] Now the players engage in a series of exchanges which simplifies the position. 9...Nxd5 [ Analysis:Junior 9: 9...exd5 10.Bg5 Re8 11.e3 Ba3 12.Bxa6 Nxa6 13.Rc2 Qd6 =] 10.Nxd5 [ Analysis:Junior 9: 10.e4 Nxc3 11.Bxc3 Bb7 12.Bd3 c5 13.dxc5 bxc5 14.0-0 Nc6 15.Bc4 Qxd1 16.Rcxd1 Rfd8 =] 10...exd5 11.Bg2 Developing his last minor piece. [ Analysis:Hiarcs 8: 11.b4 Bd6 12.a4 c6 13.b5 cxb5 14.Qb3 bxa4 15.Qxd5 Ba3 16.Qxd8 Rxd8 17.Ra1 Bb2 18.Rxa4 Bb7 ] 11...Re8 She spends a tempo to centralize her rook, intending ...Bd6. 12.Rc2 Bd6 13.Bg5 Attacking her queen. 13...Bb4+ Winning a tempo. 14.Kf1 The lost tempo, which means Topalov cannot castle for the remainder of the game. 14...f6 She spends a tempo to cover the e5-square. 15.Bf4 Now the backward pawn on c7 becomes a target 15...Nd7 Developing her last minor piece. [ Analysis:Junior 9:The move ¹15...c6!?³ is worthy of consideration ie: 16.Kg1 Bc8 17.Ne1 Ba3 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.Rxc6 Bg4 20.Nc2 Qd7 21.Rc3 Bxe2 22.Qa1 Bd6 =] 16.Ne1 Topalov intends to move the knight to d3. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 16.Bxc7 Rxe2 17.Rxe2 ( A game ending blunder would be: 17.Bxd8?? Re1#) 17...Qxc7 18.Ne1 Qc6 19.Kg1 Bxe2 20.Qxe2 Bxe1 21.Qxe1 Nf8 =] 16...c6 Polgar spends a tempo to secure the pawn on d5. 17.Nd3 Attacking her bishop on b4. 17...Bxd3 Rather than lose a tempo moving her bishop. Polgar decides to exchange on d3 (which gives Topalov the two bishops). 18.Qxd3 Rc8 Placing her rook on the same file as his, she gives support to her c-pawn. 19.Bh3 Pinning her knight against her rook. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 19.Qa6 Nf8 20.Qxa7 Ba5 21.Qb7 Re7 22.Qa6 Ra8 23.Qd3 g5 24.Be3] 19...g6 She gains an influence over the f5-square. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 19...Qe7 20.Kg2 Bd6 21.Rhc1 Bxf4 22.gxf4 Qd6]
|Feb-12-05|| ||Albertan: Junior 9 analysis:Part 2:
20.a3 Attacking her bishop forcing it to move. 20...Bf8 21.e3 [ Analysis:Junior 9: 21.Qa6 f5 ( 21...Qe7 22.Bg2 Kh8 23.Qxa7 Ra8 24.Qb7 Rxa3) 22.Qxa7 Nf6²] 21...Qe7 [ Analysis: 21...g5 22.Qf5 Qe7 ( 22...gxf4 23.Qxd7 Rc7 24.Qg4+ Kh8 25.gxf4 Bxa3) ] 22.Bg4 [ Analysis:Junior 9: 22.Rg1 b5 23.a4 bxa4 24.bxa4 g5 25.Bf5 gxf4 26.gxf4+ Kh8 27.Qa6 Rc7© And White has compensation.] 22...g5 Attacking his bishop. 23.Qf5!? He is willing to sac a bishop for a pawn. 23...gxf4 24.gxf4 Kh8 Judith is not concerned about the idea of 25.Qxd7. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 24...Red8 25.Rg1 Kh8 26.Qh5 f5 27.Bxf5 c5 28.Bd3 cxd4 29.exd4 Nf6 30.Qe5 Rxc2 31.Bxc2 Rc8 ] 25.Rg1 Placing his rook on the open file. [ 25.Qxd7? is seductive, but 25... 25...Qe4 26.Rg1 Qxc2 27.Bf5 Qd1+! 28.Kg2 Qh5] 25...Rc7 Guarding her seventh rank. 26.Bf3 Preventing Polgar from playing ...c5. [ Junior 9: 26.Bf3 Rec8 27.b4 Bg7 28.Rc3 a5 29.bxa5 bxa5 30.Bg2 Bf8 31.e4 Nb6 ] 26...Nb8 Now Polgar threatens to play ...Qxa3. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 26...Rec8 27.b4 a5 28.b5 cxb5 29.Bxd5 Bg7 30.Rxc7 Rxc7] 27.Rg3 [ Analysis:Junior 9: 27.Qh5 Rd8 28.b4 a5 29.bxa5 bxa5 30.Qf5 Re8 31.Rc5 a4] 27...Qd6 Allowing her to play ...Rg7 in the future. 28.b4 Finally he covers his enprise pawn. 28...b5 Blocking off the queenside pawn structure. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 28...Rg7 29.Rxg7 Kxg7 30.b5 c5 31.dxc5 bxc5 32.Qh5 Qd7 ] 29.Rc1 a5 Offering to exchange her a-pawn for Topalov's a-pawn. 30.bxa5 Qxa3 31.Rc5!? Creating the threat of Bxd5. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 31.Rd1!? Qd6 32.Qh5³ Rce7 33.Bg4 Qa3 34.Bf5 Qa4 35.Re1 Rd8 +] 31...Rg7 Offering to exchange rooks. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 31...Qxa5 32.Bh5 Ree7 33.Qxf6+ Bg7 34.Qh4 Qa3 35.Bg6 h6 36.Kg2 Na6 37.f5 Nxc5 38.f6 Ne6 39.fxg7+ Kxg7] 32.Bh5 Attacking her rook winning a tempo. 32...Rd8 [ Analysis:Junior 9: 32...Qa1+ 33.Kg2 Rd8 34.Qxf6 Qxa5 35.Rc1 Qc7] 33.Qxf6 Qxa5 34.Rc2 b4 Advancing her passed pawn. 35.Ra2 Qc7 [ 35...Qxa2? leads to a non-trivial mate 36.Rxg7 Qb1+ 37.Kg2 Qe4+ 38.f3 Qe6 39.Rg8+ Kxg8 40.Qxe6+ Kg7 41.Qf7+ Kh8 42.Qf6+ Bg7 43.Qxd8+ Bf8 44.Qxf8#] 36.Be2 Possibly intending Bd2. [ Analysis:Better was ¹36.Bf7!? Nd7 37.Qf5 Rxg3 38.fxg3 Bg7 39.Be6 b3 40.Rb2 Nc5 41.Qh3 Nxe6 42.Qxe6 Qa5] 36...Qe7 Offering to exchange queens. 37.Qf5 Qe4 38.Qxe4 dxe4 39.Ra8 Pinning her knight. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 39.f3 exf3 40.Bxf3 Rxg3 41.hxg3 c5 ] 39...b3 Advancing her passed pawn 40.Bc4 Immediately attacking the pawn. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 40.Rxg7 Kxg7 41.Bd1 b2 42.Bc2 c5 43.Bxe4 cxd4 44.exd4 Bb4 45.Bb1 Bc3 46.Ra7+ Rd7 47.Rxd7+ Nxd7 ] 40...b2 41.Ba2 Preventing the pawn from queening. 41...c5 42.dxc5 [ 42.Ke2 is not the saving move 42...cxd4 43.exd4 Nc6 44.Rxd8 Nxd8 ] 42...b1Q+! a beautiful, forced end to the game 43.Bxb1 Rd1+ Theme: Double Attack 44.Kg2 Rxb1 45.Ra4 Attacking her pawn. 45...Re7 46.Rg5 Protecting his passed pawn. 46...Nc6 47.Ra6 Winning a tempo. 47...Re6 The lost tempo. 48.h4 Be7 49.f5 Offering to exchange rooks. 49...Rf6 50.Rg4 Attacking her pawn winning a tempo. [ 50.Ra8+ cannot change destiny 50...Rf8 51.Rxf8+ Bxf8 ] 50...Rb4 The lost tempo. 51.Ra8+ Rf8 52.Rxf8+ Bxf8 53.f6 Ne5 [ Analysis: 53...Ne5 54.Rg5 Nf3 55.Rd5 Kg8 56.Rd7 Nxh4+ 57.Kh3 Nf3 58.Kg3 Bxc5 59.Rg7+ Kf8 60.Kg4 Rb5 61.Kf5 Bb6+ 62.Kxe4 Ng5+ 63.Kd3 Ra5 64.e4 h5 65.f4 Ra3+ 66.Kc4 Nxe4 67.Re7 Nxf6 68.Re6 Bd8 69.Kd4 ] 0-1
|Dec-18-05|| ||sucaba: A stupid speculation: Topalov might have missed 24. ♕xd7 ♕e4 25. ♖g1 ♕d3+ 26. ♔g2? f3+? 27. ♔h1 ♕xc2 28. ♗e6+! ♖xe6 29. ♕xe6+ ♔g7 30. ♕xc8 because he just thought of 29. ♗f5? ♖c7.
Improvements in this line are 26. _ ♕e4+ with a draw as shown by <acirce> above, and 26. ♖e2 f3 27. ♗xf3 ♗xa3 28. ♔g2 ♕xb3 29. e4 . |
Note that on 25. _ ♕xc2 the correct move is 26. ♗f5!, while 26. ♗e6+? fails to 26. _ ♔h8 27. ♗f5 ♕d1+ 28. ♔g2 ♕h5.
It is (at least for me) not easy to not to confuse the different variations.
|Feb-01-07|| ||GeauxCool: QID <Albertan> The brackets give different colors to your annotations <to help with <you know, sideline variations<or just other types of suggested moves> and other> clarity of annotation> these would certainly help readability if you can do that.|
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