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|Jan-29-05|| ||cade: 100... Kg5???? How many question marks does this move need? |
|Jan-29-05|| ||hintza: I believe two is the convention :-) |
|Jan-29-05|| ||nizzechess: Well...he was loosing anyway I think! Maybe it was on purpose? |
|Jan-29-05|| ||molinov: I think white was planning 100.... Rf1+ 101.Bf2 and then to manouvre with Nd4-e2 Bg1-h2 winning the pawn and then pushing the h-pawn. |
|Jan-29-05|| ||tamar: Karjakin has no way to prevent 101 Nd4+ Ke5 102 Ne2 winning the f pawn. He can try
100 Rb1 Nd4+ 101 Ke5 Ne2 102 Rb3+ Kg4 but then the h pawn is hard to stop. |
|Jan-29-05|| ||Larsker: The game is analysed in Danish here: http://nyheder.dsu.dk/enkelt_nyhed....|
The most important points:
22.Le5(?) wins two pieces and gives good chances of winning in the long run - but Anand after the game pointed out to Nielsen that 22. Td6! is far simpler, the threat being Tc6+. Black will suffer because of the undeveloped rook on h8.
When Karjakin made his last move he still had 1 hour of playing time left against Nielsen's 5 minutes. After Karjakin's blunder, Nielsen almost overlooked 101.Sxa1 since both players were tired - and Nielsen had been eating pills against headache because of his flu.
Nielsen isn't totally sure whether he'd won without Karjakin's blunder but the black pawn on f4 was deemed to fall.
So - how did the young Ucrainian take the defeat which meant that he lost his clear lead in the B group? He was a good loser, thanked Nielsen for the fight and went up to his room to check his email.
|Jan-30-05|| ||nizzechess: Okay. Thanks for the info <Larsker>!|
Somehow all the blunders I make as an amateur is a bit easier to swallow knowing GM's can do it to :D
allthough illness may be a part of the story!!!
|Jan-30-05|| ||alexmagnus: Nielsen almost overlooked 101.Nxa1?Wow. If he did this would be quite laughy. Karjakin blunders with 1 hour on the clock so, like I (1283) never blundered in 10+3-game. I wonder if he (Karjakin) is able to explain what the hell happened to him while making his 100th move..."Tired" is not reason enough for such a blunder... |
|Jan-30-05|| ||azaris: <alexmagnus> Why don't YOU play chess for five hours straight without blundering a single piece? |
|Jan-30-05|| ||alexmagnus: <azaris> I donīt tell I never blunder. (otherwise my rating would be higher). But I think I never blundered the way Karjakin blundered in this game...I never played in tournaments, but I think the fact he had 1 hour (against 5 minutes by opponent!) on his clock makes his - even without it terrible - blunder worse. I am sure I would never make 1- or 2-move-blunders in 5-hour game - and this is me, 1300 points weaker than Karjakin!If you dont believe - play against me. If you are very strong I will lose but I am sure I never make as bad blunder as Karjakinīs 100...Kg5?? I donīt tell Karjakin is bad player - no, he is a super player, but... Kg5?? was the worst move a chessplayer ever made. |
|Jan-30-05|| ||nomaster: I think the explanations given won't do it for me. So I'm about to suggest a few of my own...|
1) Karjakin accidentally touched his king and was forced to move it. Hence Kg5.
2) Karjakin -and indeed, all recent child prodigies- are in fact, machines or androids of some kind. The guys who designed him/it only assigned two digits for the moves. When he reached move 100, Robot Karjakin reset to move 1. He thought Nielsen had played 1.b3 and tried to surprise him with 1... g5?!.
I'm up for more plausible explanations, though.
|Jan-30-05|| ||azaris: <alexmagnus> Yeah, no thanks, I'd rather not play for five hours against some random patzer who thinks GMs are unemotional machines who never get tired under any conditions whatsoever. |
|Jan-30-05|| ||alexmagnus: <azaris> not 5 hours, I suggest 10+3. What about tired, how tired should you be not to notice that Nb3 attacked the rook? I dont think GMs are machines, i just think GM-mistakes must be not under some level (2-move-blunder). 1-move-blunder is - in my opinion - unforgivable for a GM by any conditions except drunkenness.
"random patzer". I am a patzer, but I am the best 1200-player ever! |
|Jan-30-05|| ||JohnBoy: Lighten up, dudes. Here is a blunder by the soon-to-be world champ...|
Petrosian vs Bronstein, 1956
|Jan-30-05|| ||WillC21: Ha alexmagnus said he is the best 1200 player ever, that is hilarious. I don't know how to even respond to that joke. |
|Jan-30-05|| ||Backward Development: wow, that's pretty bad. In a tournament I competed in yesterday, a 2012 player hung mate in one to a 1136 player.
I can't imagine all of the nerves and pressure, etc, that go into top level competition like this. I think we can give him A BREAK, at least...although with one hour on the clock, that's pretty terrible. I wouldn't like to be in his place right now, that's for sure. |
|Jan-30-05|| ||shortsight: Worse move a chess player made? this one is from Shirov, moving to a mate in 2!! Kasparov vs Shirov, 2001, i guess this one is worse. in karjakin's game, he only free a piece, and the game later on, but not a mate in 2. For Shirov, he deserved more than the wicked finale. and he was a top 10 in the world at the time. i believe there are many more examples. |
|Jan-30-05|| ||PinkPanther: <Backward Development>
What "place" don't you envy? He won the tournament and is slated to play in Corus A next year. What's so bad about that? |
|Jan-30-05|| ||Backward Development: the 'place' is after making that blunder. I suppose it was a little stupid to say considering all of those other things. |
|Jan-31-05|| ||midknightblue: This is a simple hung piece. Believe it or not, GM's do it too. Just like most of us. Nigel Short hung a rook just like this, about a year ago. |
|Jan-31-05|| ||PinkPanther: <midknightblue>
Or, about seven months ago. Not quite a year.
|Jan-31-05|| ||alexmagnus: "The best 1200 player" was not a joke, I win against other players with my rating with ease.
About moves leading to self-mate: Chigorin-Steinitz, 23.game (1895) |
|Jan-31-05|| ||WillC21: Alexmagnus>>> If you win against other 1200 players with such ease than perhaps you are stronger than 1200 yourself. How could it be any other way? |
|Jan-31-05|| ||aw1988: Short vs Krasenkow, 2004 |
|Jan-31-05|| ||notyetagm: That Chigorin game has to be the worst blunder of all-time. He had a winning position and would've tied the WC match with a, as long as he doesn't move his bishop off the h2-b8 diagonal. But that's exactly what he did and then it's the standard mate in 3 from the doubled seventh rank wooks. |
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