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|Oct-12-05|| ||notsodeepthought: <Of course, in a DCC that prides itself on the concepts of community and Americana, members have severely criticized her, justiably or not, for purportedly holding these views.> I respect all political views - but while they are at it, perhaps they could criticize her (and here they would be certainly justified) for the nine draw offers... :)|
|Oct-12-05|| ||harrwitz: <notsodeepthought> Even given the comments of <valerianus> (Andrew West) about Hwang's love for draws in the schism of the Korean [women's] chess world between those who favor draws and those who don't, nine draw offers is still a tough proposition for even her admirers to digest. Good point, LOL...|
|Oct-13-05|| ||sleepkid: <harrwitz>: First of all, please be aware that many of your statements make no sense:|
<Have you ever considered that Miss Hwang is thoroughly acquainted with the particulars of Korean chess? She has a small network of friends in Korea who play the game, and bases her generalizations on what they think.>
Ms. Hwang could not possible be "thoroughly" acquainted with Korean chess if she only has a small network of friends there, and makes "generalizations".
Secondly, most of your statements (along with those of valernius, et al.) about Korean "girls" or women border on offensive. They show serious stereotyping, and not even a remotely correct stereotype at that. I am in a position to know this because I live with a Korean girl (who incidentally learned to play chess when she lived in Moscow, so I won't use her as an example of "Korean Chess Thought"), I am well acquainted with all of her Korean female friends as well as having some of my own, and I've spent quite a bit of time in Korea on various occasions. I've also had to watch several typical Korean dramas, and there are no overtly "naieve" or "innocent" stereotypes even in these dramas. (a stereotypical format if there ever was one.)
Secondly, if there truly is a Ms. Hwang , it should be obvious to all that she is not a steretypical Korean (fabulously wealthy, inordinately shy, raised in America, flying off to Africa, conducting blindfold simuls, under 100 lbs., a constitutional monarchist, taking naps in her parents laps at the age of 20, etc.) and anyone who draws conclusions about "Korean girls" based on their interactions with her is a fool.
Also, would someone please explain to me how the alleged Hyungsook Kim received such a "notorious" reputation for her ability to play pawn and queen endgames? She's not a FIDE rated player, she doesn't show up on any Korean web pages associated with chess, and we only have this game of hers in the database. Certainly not very notorious, crafty, or anything else for that matter.
I also can find no evidence of Ms. Hwang on USCF or FIDE, despite her reputed rating of 2207. Web searches only reveal the same biography which has been uploaded to user editable web pages, and of course the games and accounts of her here at the chessgames.com database, some of which overstep the border of fantastic. So it is only natural that I should be sceptical.
However, there's an easier way to get to the bottom of this:
|Oct-13-05|| ||sleepkid: I simply offer a challenge to Ms. Hwang and the members of the Douglaston Chess Community. I will be in New York this coming December and can arrange for time off to play an exhibition game with Ms. Hwang sometime during my trip. Though I never obtained a Master's rating, and have taken some time off from chess while working on my Master's degree here in Japan, my last performance rating was a 2130 and I have kept in shape by playing the odd correspondence game or two. If Ms. Hwang has already relocated to Korea (as her biography says) then I can arrange to meet her there sometime in January or February as I will be participating in an exhibition there in the near future. If Ms. Hwang (while jetting around the world) ever happens to stop by here in Japan, I can arrange to meet her here, and even offer her accomodations complete with Korean home cooking while we play a game. |
I ask Ms. Hwang to contact me (in Korean please) at the following e-mail address: email@example.com
I'm certain Ms. Hwang's famously kind and generous nature will allow her to understand my scepticism, and meet with me to assuage my doubts. Once I have become convinced of the veracity of Ms. Hwang and her chess playing prowess, I will offer her a complete personal apology, and post an abject public apology here on chessgames.com
I ask any members of the "Douglaston Chess Community" (or <harrwitz>, who even though claiming to be outside the DCC can recall details of their "1991 Hastens Declaration", and is apprently well acquainted with the rumours which have been wildly circulating regarding Ms. Hwang's political persuasions) to temporarily suspend any ill feelings that I may have caused with my scepticism, and to assist me in this matter by conveying my request for a game to Ms. Hwang.
Until then, I reserve the right to maintain a healthy scepticism in this matter.
|Oct-13-05|| ||ughaibu: Sleepkid: all good fun but I disagree with your motion to have the game removed from the archive. Other fabrications remain and the kibitzing on this one, if not the game itself, would be a loss if expunged.|
|Oct-13-05|| ||sleepkid: ughaibu: while it's true that other fabrications remain in the database (the Alekhine 5 Queen, or some of Greco's obvious constructions being examples) they are usually fabrications of historical import, unusual theoretical value, or at least famously attributed to a real person. This one has none of those characteristics, and moreover appears to be a bizarre attempt to construct a personage into chess history who I don't believe actually exists. |
Although most of the posts have been so preposterous as to hardly be credible, it would appear that some people are being duped, and the perpetrators have made no effort to correct this probable misunderstanding. This is what irritates me.
It might be acceptable if every game were labeled "fabricated game", and then left in the database.
Apart from that, how go things on your side of Japan? I actually almost made it out to Kanagawa for a Matthew Barney exhibit at a museum there, but fell ill at the last moment and had to cancel the trip.
|Oct-13-05|| ||ughaibu: Unfortunately I've also fallen ill but otherwise things are fine. Maybe we can organise something next year.|
|Oct-17-05|| ||sleepkid: <ughaibu>: sorry to hear you've been ill. hope you are feeling better. next time you're in the tokyo area, get in touch and we can meet up for a pint or a game (though it would have to be chess, as I haven't even so much as looked at a shogi board in over a year now.)|
|Oct-30-05|| ||OhioChessFan: ROTFLOL. These annotations rival the parody annotation of the Nimzowitsch game. Ahh, the lovely Miss Hwang, the woman of any young boy's dreams........beautiful, petite, wealthy, intelligent, can't say no......... I am reminded of one of my favorite episodes of MASH- Captain Tuttle. Great line from that show: Hawkeye has run with the hoax as long as he can, but Captain Tuttle is called in for a meeting with the CO. Hawkeye turns to BJ and says, "Do you think we can build one?"|
|Nov-11-05|| ||sleepkid: OhioChessFan: ...sadly enough, I never received any response to my challenge.|
M*A*S*H was a good show wasn't it? They just don't make them like that anymore.
|Jun-05-06|| ||offramp: Tediousnessabounds. Whoever thought this game up should be forced to watch 600 Terabyte disk defragment.|
|Jul-20-06|| ||waddayaplay: This fabricated game kind of ruins the statistics. The line after 11.O-O has a perfect result: draw in all 130 or so games (I think one other game in the database is mislabeled as a win for black).|
|Dec-12-08|| ||newzild: Okay, so it's a hoax. But 115.Qf3+ is pretty, and the annotations are brilliant! There's all sorts of sly references to comments made by Fischer in My 60 Memorable Games), Capablanca and Alekhine (in his My Best Games collection) and so on.
It's doubly interesting for me, because I live in Korea. I actually find the characterisation of a "typical Korean woman" to be pretty accurate.
I vote to keep this fake on the database.
|Apr-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: why did Hwang offer so many draws?|
|Apr-01-11|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Why has this game never been our April Fool's Day special? The annotations are almost as good as Kmoch's in Nimzowitsch-Systemsson.|
|Apr-01-11|| ||Domdaniel: < Why has this game never been our April Fool's Day special?>|
|Apr-01-11|| ||perfidious: <Domdaniel: Poisson attribution.>|
Poisson, as in fish, or simply a misspell?
|Apr-01-11|| ||Domdaniel: <perfidious> Misspell, moi? Pul-lease.|
The French for April Fool is *Poisson d'Avril* - literally, April Fish.
Poisson - as in the mathematician - suggests a Poisson distribution. But I thought attribution more germane.
Which has nothing to do with Les Allemandes.
If I *had* intended to write 'poison', I'd have quoted John Cale: "... like that ancient teenage dream/ from soul to poison soul to poison soul..."
Is your perfidiousness of an Albionic nature?
|Apr-01-11|| ||perfidious: <Domdaniel: <perfidious> Misspell, moi?|
Is your perfidiousness of an Albionic nature?>
O, perfidious Albion am I!
|Apr-03-11|| ||Toliman: 113♕f3+ |
|Apr-03-11|| ||OhioChessFan: The next April 1 that falls on a Monday, 113. White to play should be POTD. Love this kibitzing:
<Out of my corner of my eye, I even saw Kim write 1/2 on her score sheet (!!). >|
|Apr-03-11|| ||OhioChessFan: Curses. Fritz also thinks 113. Qc4 wins.|
|Jul-17-11|| ||OhioChessFan: What a mystery: First post on page 2, May 21, 2005 |
<<Catfriend> I spoke right now (via www.yahoo.com) to Ms.Hwang! She's a very nice and modest person, working hard to improve her already excellent chess level. Here we see an example of her deep understanding, and against a very tough opponent too!
Thank you, Ms.Hwang, for the kind words and for showing this game!>
Who exactly was he talking to?
|Jul-18-11|| ||sevenseaman: I have never read such poetry in annotation. Sublime!|
|Apr-03-13|| ||Toliman: 23 ... P-R3 |
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