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|Apr-12-13|| ||devere: While 22. Nb3 was certainly a blunder, it seems that 11. O-O-O was the real start of White's troubles. Kasparov demonstrated to my satisfaction that Black's attack on the King is more effective than White's.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||HeMateMe: That Garry could sling the wood...|
|Apr-12-13|| ||AutumnLord: Sorry Guys, I will probably be banned after my post but really I do not understand the overall excitement... because I do not see genius in Kasparov. I see a human Fritz but less funny than a computer. Just to let You undertand my position: I see genius in Morphy, Capablanca, Tal....not Kasparov. It is the difference between people like Jilles Villeneuve or Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher. His chess play is not heroic i would dare to say. Accurate but sterile.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||diagonalley: "difficult" !?! ... my @rse... i got absolutely nowhere near this one|
|Apr-12-13|| ||morfishine: I was able to find <22...Nxc2> as the most forcing move and ran out a short line and decided to check the continuation.|
I was thrilled to see my line follow Kasparov's line up to a point: <23.Nxc5 Na3+> However, I tried to run with the White King: <24.Kc1 Qxc5 25.Kd1 Nc4 26.Bxc4 Qxc4> This position doesn't look very good for White
<AutumnLord> Everybody's entitled to their opinion and yours isn't inflammatory enough to warrant getting banned. I'd suggest perusing some of the other 2,348 Kasparov games in the <CG> database. I think you'll find Kasparov was displaying 'brilliance' long before computers became strong enough to be relevant :)
|Apr-12-13|| ||offramp: This game is known as The Chessgames Perl.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||HeMateMe: Kasparov's games might not seem as swashbuckling as those of Morphy or Tal, but he is playing against a much higher level of talent than what Morphy played against.|
Tal does have a more bizarre, sometimes more exciting style, but he won far fewer tournaments than Kasparov.
|Apr-12-13|| ||Richard Taylor: <Kingscrusher> has this on YouTube and I remember finding the various moves by Kasparov. (Pause the video (he gives a certain time but it is better to pause as it takes some time to find these ideas, I found the mate on b2 idea etc). It is typical English-Attack Najdorf type of game, where both sides are threatening imminent death! |
I've played both sides of this with varying results but always interesting games.
I didn't think that Kasparov's moves were that hard to find but he plays these kinds of games very ingeniously. He also used to play very good "positional" games to win.
|Apr-12-13|| ||vinidivici: With the passing time, every generation play with more cautious, its because as the time goes by, the chess theories (opening/endgame/midgame) are more complete and complex.|
If somebody playing like Tal today in the GM level, he of course would get severe bad beaten in every game.
And for Morphy, he was great in his time, because he defeated most of his contemporaries. And now he is considered as a great in chess not because of his games but for the marks what he had left during his lifetime.
|Apr-12-13|| ||paulalbert: Even though I had seen this well known game before, I couldn't come up with the right moves. Certainly one ( of many ) of Kasparov's outstanding games!|
|Apr-12-13|| ||AutumnLord: I really do not agree with the following sentence: "If somebody playing like Tal today in the GM level, he of course would get severe bad beaten in every game". In a period of less than 40 years human abilities and overall knowledge about the chess theories (opening/endgame/midgame) has not made such a Copernican leap. Please notice that even matches between best computer engines are not 100% draws or 100% victories of one side. There is always space for a genius trick in a 10 power of 50 combinations. It was not me saying "In a set match, Morphy would beat anybody alive today" as well it was not me saying "The greatest genius is Tal, the most talented is Tal, the wittiest and most cheerful is Tal, the most comprehensive in style is Tal". Please let me still dream about creative chess instead of analysis and calculation :)|
|Apr-12-13|| ||David2009: Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 Black 22...?|
Try 22...Nxc2. A White counterattack fails: 23.Bh6 Nxb3 24.Rxg7+ Kh8 25.Qg5 Rxb3 and White cannot break through. If 23.Kxc2 Rxb3; if 23.Rxc2 Rxb3; which leaves 23.Nxc5 Qxc5. Now 24.Qxc2 Bxc3 breaks through (the b2 Pawn is pinned) so 24.Kxc2 Rxb2+ 25.Kxb2 and White survives. Instead of 23...Qc5 interpose 23...Na3+ saving the N for the moment. If 24.Kc1 Qxc4+ consolidates, as does 24.Ka1 Qxc5: which leaves 24.Ka2 Qxc5 and if 24.bxa3 Bxc3 breaks through. Thus my final main line is 22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Na3+ etc. Time to
I got the general idea. Here's the position with White to play at move 22:
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Now 22.Nb3? led to the puzzle position: instead 22.h6 g6 is fairly level: White has no time for 22.f4 qa5! 23.fxe5 Nxe4 etc.
|Apr-12-13|| ||Niklaushammer: What is wrong with 22... Nxb2 23. cxb3 Qa5 threatening Qa2+ ?|
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|Apr-12-13|| ||kevin86: It's tough when you can't even figure out what happened AFTER the game is over. :(|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Marmot PFL: I remembered this game and knew the solution, which is not too difficult to find although the variations are not simple. It was a question all along of who would crack and make the first mistake and it turned out to be white. before that I thought black was in trouble several times, but GK had it under control.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Marmot PFL: How many players could play a move like 19...Ba8 with their king under attack? I wouldn't have the nerve.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Patriot: 22...Nxb3 23.cxb3 Qa5 24.h6 g6 and resigns? Wait...white may have another option: 25.Bd3 so that 25...Bxc3 26.Qxc3 Qa2+ 27.Kc1 Qa1+ 28.Bb1 or 28.Kd2. This looks defendable.|
22...Nxc2 23.Qxc2 Rxb3 looks very attractive.
22...Nxc2 23.h6 g6 doesn't seem to help matters.
22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Qxc5 24.Qxc2 Qxc3 etc. looks good.
22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Qxc5 24.Kxc2 Rfc8 25.Rc1 Qb4 26.b3 Bxc3 .
22...Nxc2 looks pretty good.
|Apr-12-13|| ||Patriot: My last line <22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Qxc5 24.Kxc2...> is ok to that point but 24...Rxb2+ is the key. I considered it but wasn't convinced.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Patriot: The very first line I considered was way off. It definitely had visualization errors.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Geronimo: <AutumnLord> I do think we can least say that the invention of modern computers and the Internet represents at least a "Gutenberg Moment" if not a Copernican one. The social availability of knowledge has expanded to previously unimaginable depths/heights and the speed of information transmission is undeniably of a qualitative - not merely quantitative - transformative effect on many or most human endeavor, not just chess. |
That said, the problem with others' comparisons between Tal or Morphy and Kasparov or Kramnik is that the exercise is anachronistic and thus of dubious potential for historical accuracy. The more interesting thought experiment is to ask: If Tal were alive today and using all contemporary tools, how strong would he be next to current GMs? This is harder to calculate.
I looked for a long time at bringing the queen down the a file after 22...Nxb3; 23. cxb3 in my typical smash through the front door manner. Thought I has it too. Thanks <Patriot> for the comprehensive refutation.
|Apr-12-13|| ||fisayo123: Garry Kasparov beat Michael Adams 10 to 0, with 8 draws.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||M.Hassan: I went with 22...Nxb3 to cause doubled pawns for White on b file. After 11 moves, Black and White were still equal.No need to post the details as it can not be correct.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||DarthStapler: I got the first move|
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