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|Jul-10-08|| ||waitzkinfan101: I still don't understand why kasparov resigned. Can anyone explain why it wouldn't be a draw?? Its kasparov's move so maybe check 30. h6-h5 then topalov 31. Kh3 then kasparov just keep playing until he might try to offer a draw. But i don't understand an outright resign at this point in the game.|
|Jul-30-08|| ||Breunor: If 30. h5, White will not respond with Kh3, but rather 31 Kf4. Now Black has some problems. If he moves his king, White will penetrate via Kg5, and if he pushes his a pawn, white will do the same. He's in Zugzwang.|
|Aug-23-08|| ||newzild: Yes, the point is that White will get the opposition and an entry path into black's position at some point. Eg: 30...h5+ 31.Kf4 and black is in trouble or 30...Kf7 31.h5 gh (31...g5 32.ed ed 33.Kf5 wins) 32.Kxh5 and then white simply brings up his g-pawn, exchanges it for black's h-pawn, then plays ed and races his king across to munch black's d-pawn.|
So for those kibitzers saying that Kasparov resigned too soon, I disagree. If I can see the win, then I'm sure Gazza and Toppy can see it much, much faster!
waitzkinfan101: I still don't understand why kasparov resigned. Can anyone explain why it wouldn't be a draw?? Its kasparov's move so maybe check 30. h6-h5 then topalov 31. Kh3 then kasparov just keep playing until he might try to offer a draw. But i don't understand an outright resign at this point in the game.
|Sep-15-08|| ||Sem: I don't agree with Whitehat1963. IMO the game changed again in the seventies, when people such as Karpov, Jan Timman and Ulf Andersson started playing an opaque sort of chess. They hid their intentions better than their predecessors, which resulted in a different development of the games, which I found harder to understand than the games of Larsen, Portisch, Keres, Fischer etc. And then there was of course Duncan Suttles from Canada, who displayed a style all his own, a modern-day Reti, if you like.|
|Jan-10-09|| ||Marcellus: The move of choice of the spectators, 21...Qd8, seems to give Black drawing chances after 21...Qd8 22.Nf3 Qb6+ 23.d4 Qxb2 24.Rb1 Qxc3 25.Rxb7+ Kd8 (25...Kc8 26.Rb3) 26.Rb3 Qc2, and Topalov showed us the line 21...Nxd4 22.Qxf6 Rxf6 23.cxd4 Rf3 24.Rd1 g5. For the moment all we can say is that the proverbial jury is still out on this one.|
|Mar-23-09|| ||gokhan1983: Kasparov had done true.White has an awful advantage....|
|Jun-16-09|| ||aspiringwriter: Gents, my two cents for this last game of Kasparov:
1) The ending is lost by Black, as White wins even after he takes Black pawn on d5, leaving his own d-pawns doubled.
2) One of Kasparov's mistakes was 14. ... Kd7. He should have played 14. ... Qb6 and then castling queenside. Analysis shows total equality in this line.
|Jun-16-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Fischer wasn't the father of modern chess- Morphy was|
|Aug-03-09|| ||rubicante: I really do not know why Fischer is so popular. Tal was much better than Fischer in every way, and I believe he would still be the number one. But he has had the health problems, from that time on he starts losing to Fischer.|
|Aug-03-09|| ||rubicante: if you do not know why Kasparov resigned, you should continue playing through this game and you will find out there is no chance for black.|
|Aug-06-09|| ||Abdooss: In his time, Fischer was like 'the fastest gun' in the chess world, as he worked alone.. Kasparov was more like 'GI Joe' as he had one of the best team of GMs - Trainers, Researchers etc. Who's the best? It's like comparing apples and oranges. we won't have the definite answer.. both set the standard to a higher level!!|
|Oct-08-09|| ||plogdin: MOVE 20, Black, Kasparov could have played Queen to F2 square and WIN the game!|
Why did he not do that ?
|Oct-08-09|| ||Manic: Mar-10-05
<crafty: 19. ...Rf8 20.Nxd4 Qf2+ 21.Kh1 Rf6 22.Qa4+ Nc6=(eval -0.01; depth 12 ply; 100M nodes)>
It would not have won him the game but according to the kibitzing it seems to draw.
|Oct-08-09|| ||tacticalmonster: This pawn ending is lost for several reasons
1) white king is more actively placed ( fourth rank vs third rank)
2) White has an extra doubled pawn. This serve a useful purpose as white can trade on d5 as he please but white can never take on e4.
3) white has more pawn moves than black. This gains or loses tempi
white winning ideas is as follow:
1) improve his king to fifth rank
2) attack the weak pawns: first tie down black in the defense of e6 pawn. Once black runs out of move and white gains opposition, white king will invade on either the queenside or the kingside.
This should be a very simply technique for the pro.
|Oct-08-09|| ||tacticalmonster: a)1.h5+ 2.Kf4 Ke7 3. Ke5
b)1.g5 2.hxg5 hxg5 3. Kh5
c)1.a6 2.a3 tranpose to a or b
d)1.Kf7 2.h5! g5 3. exd5 exd5 4.Kf5 win the d5 pawn
e)1.Kf7 2.h5 Kf6 3. hxg6 Kxg6 4. Kh4 h5 (any K move allow Kh5 and white wins)
5. g4 hxg4 6. Kxg4 Kf6 (Kh6?? kf4-ke5 win) 7. Kh5 Kf7
8.(Kh6 draw) Kg5 Kg7 9. e5! Kf7 10. Kh6 Kf8 11.Kg6
white has the opposition and will eventually pick up the e6 pawn.
|Oct-08-09|| ||moronovich: This was the last game Garry played.
And according to himself his mind and feelings were set on the concludingspeech which he would do soon after this game.
|Nov-22-09|| ||btmachine333667: I have not read the previous comments, but it seems that if it were white to move at the position when Kasparov resigned, it would be a draw.|
|Mar-13-11|| ||sbevan: GM Kavalek had an excellent analysis of this game in the Washington Post|
"...27.h4? (Topalov carelessly throws the win away. Not much can be gained with a queenside pawn play, where symmetrical moves soon exhaust all possibilities. He needs extra pawn moves on the kingside to force black into a zugzwang. With 27.Kg4! white wins, ..." etc.
|Jul-18-11|| ||Golden Executive: Video of the last 7 minutes of this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_y...|
Veselin Topalov - Garry Kasparov, XXII Torneo Ciudad de Linares 2005
click for larger view
Analysis by Fritz 12 <depth 26>
1. (3.25): 30...Kg7 31.h5 Kf6 32.Kh4 Kf7 33.exd5 exd5 34.hxg6+ Kxg6 35.g4 a6 36.a3 Kg7 37.Kh5 Kh7 38.g5 hxg5 39.Kxg5 Kg7 40.Kf5 Kf7 41.Ke5 Ke7 42.Kxd5
2. (3.25): 30...Ke7 31.h5 Kf6 32.Kh4 Kf7 33.exd5 exd5 34.hxg6+ Kxg6 35.g4 a6 36.a3 Kg7 37.Kh5 Kh7 38.g5 hxg5 39.Kxg5 Kg7 40.Kf5 Kf7 41.Ke5 Ke7 42.Kxd5
Analysis by Houdini 1.5 <depth 26>
1. (1.87): 30...Ke7 31.exd5 exd5 32.h5 Kf6 33.hxg6 Kxg6 34.Kh4 h5 35.g4 hxg4 36.Kxg4 a6 37.Kf4 Kf6 38.a3 Ke6 39.Kg5 Kd7 40.Kf5 Kd6 41.Kf6 Kd7 42.Ke5 Kc7 43.Kxd5 Kd7 44.Ke5 Ke7
2. (1.87): 30...Kg7 31.exd5 exd5 32.h5 Kf6 33.hxg6 Kxg6 34.Kh4 h5 35.g4 hxg4 36.Kxg4 a6 37.Kf4 Kf6 38.a3 Ke6 39.Kg5 Kd7 40.Kf5 Kd6 41.Kf6 Kd7 42.Ke5 Kc7 43.Kxd5 Kd7 44.Ke5 Ke7
Analysis by Stockfish 2.0.1 <depth 26>
1. (7.39): 30...dxe4 31.dxe4 e5 32.dxe5+ Kxe5 33.Kf3 Ke6 34.Kf4 Kd6 35.e5+ Ke7 36.Ke4 Ke6 37.Kd4 a6 38.Ke4 h5 39.Kd4 Kd7 40.Kd5 Ke7 41.e6 Ke8 42.Ke5 Ke7 43.a3 g5 44.hxg5 Ke8 45.g6 Ke7 46.g7
2. (7.39): 30...Kf7 31.h5 gxh5+ 32.Kxh5 Kg7 33.exd5 exd5 34.g4 Kh7 35.g5 hxg5 36.Kxg5 Kg8 37.Kf4 Kf7 38.Ke5 Ke7 39.Kxd5 Kd7 40.Kc5 a6 41.Kd5 a5 42.bxa5 b4 43.a6 Kc8 44.Ke6 b3 45.axb3 Kc7 46.d5 Kb8
|Oct-26-11|| ||serenpidity.ejd: <moronovich> Meaning the last game of tournament, competitive and professional chess.Rated games, in other words.
When Kasparov retired I think my interest in chess waned dramatically. Who would not, because we just missed the greatest player to have played the game in modern chess. He was and is a true CHESS GENIUS!!! (Nobody can dispute this.) His style of play was the best ever. He was the King when it comes to sacrifices. He was a player who loves to attack and counter attack and yet his position was very safe.
The one thing that made me admire Kasparov the most was his ability to make his opponents look like patsies or beginners( if not stupid) on the board---hallmark of aTRUE CHESS GENIUS INDEED.
(To be continued)
(To be continued)
|Dec-23-11|| ||Domdaniel: Is this (still?) the game with the highest combined rating for both players? With Kasparov at his 2850 peak and Topalov approaching the 2800 mark, the average is around 2820.|
Recent games between Carlsen and Aronian are close, but not quite high enough. I think.
|Dec-23-11|| ||Everett: Kasparov was closer to 2812 than 2851 at this time.|
|Dec-23-11|| ||Domdaniel: <Everett> OK, but which was higher -- peak Kasparov vs-near-2800-GM, or current Carlsen-Aronian?|
Strictly in terms of players' ratings at the time of the game. There may be differences between Frogbert's Liveratings, say, and the relevant FIDE lists.
|Dec-23-11|| ||Everett: <Domdaniel> oh, I don't know, and not too interested... Though i would look at '99 Kasparov vs Anand, not this game.|
|Dec-23-11|| ||acirce: Kasparov was 2804 and Topalov 2757 at the time of this game.|
I <think> the games between Kasparov and Kramnik in the 2001 Botvinnik Memorial (like Kasparov vs Kramnik, 2001) should be those with the highest combined rating -- 2838 and 2809 respectively.
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