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Apr-08-05
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| peyote: i MUST be getting better...couldnt find the right order, but I liked the the f4 pawn move & the rook sac |
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Apr-08-05
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| kevin86: I couldn't figure out the problem-but it is crystal clear that if 32  d2  f4 wins the queen ha ha,the joke's on me-f4 is checkmate!! |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| riqhi: ha! I knew ...Rxh3 was part of the plan because this was the week of rook sacs!, but this puzzle was too complicated for me :( |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| ewenardus: Had the idea, but played f4 before Rxh3. Anyway, I followed the same idea as 2ndNature winning th queen, and missed both marcos' and shortsighted ways of mating. Very instructive all of it! |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Little Honza: hey guys, honza's back!!!!
he's backkkkkk |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Marius: I think 26...Ng3+!! is the move that is hard to find and which put white in trouble because after 26...fxe3 27.Rg1 white seems to defend |
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Apr-08-05
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| aragorn69: <Marco65> <An interesting variation is 26.Bxf4 Bxh3+ 27.Ke2 Ng3+ 28.Kd2 Nf1+! 29.Rxf1 Bxf4#> I don't have an engine but seems to me that after 26.Bxf4?? it's mate in two by 26.-Nd2+! then 27.-Bxh3# |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Marius: <aragorn69>
Yes shortsight has already mention that :
Apr-08-05
shortsight: I saw 24. .. Rxh3 25.gxh3 f4, but I thought white replied 26.Bxf4, followed by 26. .. Nd2+! and mate with Bxh3++. I never figure out that White could have tried 26.Kd2. Hope for better try tomorrow :) |
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Apr-08-05
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| LIFE Master AJ: da-DA, da-DA! (theme from JAWS)
What an incredible "combine" as my friend Ross Sprague used to say. |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| hintza: He's finally losing it! |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Cee75: How about ...
24...RxH3 25. Bf4 ???
Now variation:
25... RH1+ is dealt with 26. Ng1 QH5 27. NF3 |
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Apr-08-05
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| Gypsy: Excellent tactics. I saw the opening sacs (Rxh3, f4, Ng3+) but gave up too early and did not appreciate the power of 29...Nc5+!! (Was trying to block the king from running earlier.) As for the <27.fxg3 Rxe3+ 28.Qxe3 fxe3 29.Rg1 Bxh3 ...> that someone complained about -- Black seems to have plenty of wood to win after the <30.Rd3 Bxg3 31.Rxe3 Qd6 32.Re8+ Kh7 ...>: two extra pawns, passed and connected; dominating bishops; White position drafty; discoordinated rooks; and White king exposed. |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Cee75: Somebody pls give me solution of
25. Bf4 by White... I am struggling to find a black win at that point. This move blocks the bh3+ path |
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Apr-08-05
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| Gypsy: < Cee75: How about ...
24...RxH3 25. Bf4 ??? > That just surrenders a pawn while Black attack continues undiminished. For instance, in your variation <25... RH1+ is dealt with 26. Ng1 QH5 27. NF3 > Black now has quite decisive 27...Bb5+. |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Ezzy: <Gypsy As for the <27.fxg3 Rxe3+ 28.Qxe3 fxe3 29.Rg1 Bxh3 ...> that someone complained about -- Black seems to have plenty of wood to win after the <30.Rd3 Bxg3 31.Rxe3 Qd6 32.Re8+ Kh7 ...>: two extra pawns, passed and connected; dominating bishops; White position drafty; discoordinated rooks; and White king exposed.> Hi Gypsy, I'm the complainer. I totally agree with your comments about my line, but it is a better line than the moves played in the game, so to evaluate a position from move 24 - 32 with 26..Ng3+ to find, takes a lot of doing. This Hardly constitutes a <chessgames.com> Friday puzzle! But to be honest, lets have more - I enjoy the analysis! Nobody yet has actually solved it!! |
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Apr-08-05
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| Gypsy: <Ezzy>. Agree, it does seem to be the objectively best defense. Don't know if anyone solved the puzzle, maybe Honza, he is phenomenal. I certainly got stumped and did not see how to close the mating net (Ng2-e4-Nc5). No matter how imperfect they can get, I still am particular to our collection of real-game tactics. Somewhere I read a nice line which I can only paraphrase: That mate-in-2 chess problems are like animals in a Zoo, studies like animals in a circus, and real life combinations like animals in their wild. I like it that every once in a while we find a bust, and often a near bust -- it makes it all much more fun for me. |
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| Apr-08-05 |
| Rama: 26. ... Ng3 is a master-stroke. |
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Apr-09-05
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| Richard Taylor: I looked at this for about 8 hours and couldnt find a satisfactory continuation and missed Rxh3!! maybe I should take up tiddlywinks... |
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Apr-09-05
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| Richard Taylor: To be fair on msyelf I saw a line like it - but I missed (the significance of)  :g3+ I was looking at 24. ...f4 25 xf4 then  xh3 26 e3 as xd2+ and then mate is threatened and was trying to create an arttack after 26. e3 that involved a sac on e3..and a mate on d3 with one line giving a check on b3 by the knight but I couldn't get through... this Salov must be a brilliant player..I dont move the pieces around - try to solve these in my head so to speak -he was at the board and 'solved' it ... I had hours and rests in betweeen...hmmm...tiddlywinks anyone? |
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| Apr-09-05 |
| Ezzy: <Gypsy - I like it that every once in a while we find a bust, and often a near bust -- it makes it all much more fun for me.> Totally agree. I shall stop complaining! |
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Apr-11-05
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| LIFE Master AJ: <hintza>
Who's losing what?
huh?
(go back to sleep) |
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| Apr-11-05 |
| hintza: Zzzzz.... |
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| Apr-11-05 |
| Cee75: Gypsy:
24. RxH3 25 BF4 RH1+ 26. Ng1 QH5 Instead of NF3.. Probably better move is first b3 to take care of Nb5+
what do you think? Now Black has no options left to finish it off quickly. I agree that ultimately black may win but the game is still ON now! |
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Apr-11-05
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| Gypsy: < Cee75 > Definitely an interesting way of mixing things-up; many ways for Black to let advantage disapear. After the <34...Rh3 35.Bf4 Rh1+ 36.Ng1 Qh5> and <37.b3> I'd play <37...Bxf4 (37...Bc5 should also work) 38.Qxf4 Bb5+ 39.c4 dxc4> ... and it looks like Black is breaking through. But the Bf4 defense is clever and Black needs to find many good moves in several long variations. For instance, one possibility is this one: <34...Rh3 35.Bf4 Rh1+ 36.Ng1 Qh5> and <37.Bxd6>, which can continue <Nxd6 38.Rxe8+ Bxe8 39.Qe3 Qh2 40.f3 f4 41.Qf2 (41.Qe6+ is not sufficient) Nc5 42.Re1 (42.Nc2 Bb5) Ne3+ 43.Rxe3 fxe3 44.Qxe3 Bf7 ...> and Black is an exchange up and should win -- but, as you said, it still is a game. (Warning: the variations could easily have errors; there is no sillicon authority behind them.) |
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Apr-13-05
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| LIFE Master AJ: <Gypsy> Keep it up ... and I'll be losing another night of sleep ... Fritzing this game to death. |
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