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Arnold Denker vs Arthur Randolph Shayne
"Bitte!" (game of the day Feb-15-12)
Rochester, NY (1945)  ·  Bishop's Opening: MacDonnell Gambit. La Bourdonnais-Denker Gambit (C23)  ·  1-0
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Annotations by Eric Schiller.      [184 more games annotated by E Schiller]

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Apr-14-05
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  WannaBe: 1. Shayne was dead on move 9. Nxc3.
and he couldn't come back. 8-)
Oct-21-05
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  refutor: i'm a fan of the accelerated evans gambit (1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Bc5 3.b4!?) i've been thinking about trying the bishop's opening in blitz to give it a go. if 2. ...Nc6 then 3.Nf3 going to two knights and if 2. ...Nf6 then 3.Nf3 with the transposition to the petroff gambit whose name i can't recall off the top of my head.
Jan-02-06  THE pawn: It's always a shayne to lose like that...
Nov-12-06
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  FSR: Shayne, you're playing a game you never can win, girl . . . .
Jul-06-08  ToTheDeath: Terribly sloppy annotations by Schiller- it's clear they have not been checked with a modern computer engine.

No mention of 7...d5 as a strong alternative to 7...Ne4.

No mention of 8... O-O! 9. cxd4 d5 again with a fine game for Black.

The line given by Schiller "11...O-O 12.Bxe7 Qxe7 13.Rfe1 c6 14.Qd3 b5 15.Bb3 b4 16.Bc2 g6 17.h4 and Black is paralyzed" is just nonsense- after 17...c5! followed by Bb7 and Nc6 it is White who has problems.

Again, the position after 12... Bxf6 13. exf6 Qxf6 14. Rfe1+ Kd8 15. Ng5 (Schiller stops here) c6! 16. Qa5+ b6 17. Qa3 Qxg5 18. Qxf8+ Kc7 is hardly over for Black.

As others have brought up there is no mention at all of 12...c6.

And on the next move too 13... c6 14. Qh5 d5! 15. Rae1 Qd6 16. Rxe7+ Kd8 17. Qh6 Re8 18. Ne5 Qxe5 19. Rxe5 Rxe5 20. Bd3 Nd7 would prolong resistance.

And finally after 15... d6! 16. Nxf7 Qd7 17. Qh5 Rxf7 18. Bxf7+ Kd8 19. Qxh7 c5 White should win but he still has work to do.

Schiller appears to have used the all too common method of annotating by game result, and by the desire to paint a pretty picture. Chess is already beautiful enough, it doesn't need to be made prettier with shallow and one sided annotations.

Sep-20-09  WhiteRook48: all black did is grab material
Feb-15-12
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  sevenseaman: Nice finish but Denker had winning chances along the way.
Feb-15-12
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  xthred: Very cool. Will try to use it.
Feb-15-12  rilkefan: Stockfish dislikes the annotations, starting with the lack of a comment on 4...Bc5 instead of ...Bd6, but I see <ToTheDeath> has done a better job than I would have already, though 8.Bd5 with some advantage instead of the weak O-O (refuted by O-O as above) is worth noting: 8. Bd5 f5 9. cxd4 Bb4+ 10. Bd2 Bxd2+ 11. Nbxd2 Nc3 12. Qb3 Nxd5 13. Qxd5 g5 with an edge to white is a sample line.
Feb-15-12  newzild: <ToTheDeath: Terribly sloppy annotations by Schiller- it's clear they have not been checked with a modern computer engine.>

Yes, I agree - Schiller's analyses have achieved unheralded levels of notoriety in the chess world.

The line that struck me as odd was the alternative at move 11 (Black castling), in which he suggested that Black's follow-up plan should entail the weakening ...c6 and ...b5.

Anyhow, it was still an entertaining romp.

Feb-15-12  Robespierre: Interestingly enough, native speakers of German (which I'm not, but which language I spoke many years ago as a student at the U of Heidelberg with complete fluency) would associate the family name 'Denker' to mean "thinker" or "ponderer" rather than 'thanks.'
Feb-15-12
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  lost in space: "Bitte" is the answer to "Danke schön" (Denker Shayn)
Feb-15-12  Rook e2: <lost in space:> Ah! Now that I see it it's quite funny! 'Denker' means 'Tinker' indeed. Denker is used in Germen as well as in Dutch.
Feb-15-12
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  Memethecat: Some lovely moves by Denker, but deary me does Shayne help him along.
Feb-15-12  Penguincw: Almost a smothered mate, but still taking advantage of the pin!
Feb-15-12  gmalino: Like <Robespierre> pointed out correctly, the pun is a little complicated to understand for german native speakers (which I am). If you try to pronounce "Danke schön" like jiddisch or with polish accent you come pretty near "Denke(r) shayne". However...Nice gambit!
Feb-15-12
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  kevin86: The mate almost doesn't look like one.

In Shane(the movie) does Shane really did at the end?!

Feb-15-12  rilkefan: <<newzild>: The line that struck me as odd was the alternative at move 11 (Black castling), in which he suggested that Black's follow-up plan should entail the weakening ...c6 and ...b5.>

That's precisely what sent me to silicon - I couldn't understand spending three moves on the qside to encourage white to set up a queen-first battery on h7, forcing ...g6 which is just asking for h4.

Feb-15-12
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  Chessmensch: <kevin86:
In Shane(the movie) does Shane really did at the end?!>

That is apparently not revealed. The Wikipedia article on Shane is very interesting. The famous phrase, "Come back Shayne" (Shane) would also have been a good pun.

Feb-15-12
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  Once: As others have said, Eric Schiller's annotations seem odd when played through modern chess silicon. Black had several stronger moves to turn the tables (11...0-0 and 12...c6).

I wonder how old the annotations are?

Feb-15-12
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  waustad: Lovely mate.
Feb-15-12
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  whiteshark: Bitte?
Feb-15-12  th3doctor: Bitte is the German equivalent of "You're welcome" in the context of someone thanking you (Danke schoen means thank you very much). The word does also have several other meanings based on the context though.
Feb-15-12  Jason Frost: Nice pun
Feb-16-12
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  OrigamiArtist: Have to agree that the annotations to this game are substandard. 10.Bg5 is clearly worse than 10.Bxf7 Kxf7 11.Qd5+, but the most absurd point is the note to 11...Rf8. Shiller fobs off the clearly much better 11...0-0 with nonsense in order to continue the theme (as mentioned earlier) of annotation by result.
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