Apr-27-05
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| Karpova: seems like Damiano's attack was much better than his defence! 3....ne4: is the decisive mistake of course. 3....d6 is theory |
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| Apr-27-05 |
| Leviathan: Even if I consider 3. .. d6 a better move I wouldn't call 3. .. Nxe4?! a decisive mistake. For example, Ludek Pachman in one of his books about openings (Eröffnungpraxis im Schach) writes about this line: <...Here (after 3. .. Nxe4) black can play an interesting gambit, full of surprises: 4. Qe2 Qe7 5.Qxe4 d6 6.d4 dxe5 7.Qxe5 Qxe5 8.dxe5 Bf5, then 9. .. Nd7 castling queenside. And if 7.dxe5 Nc6 8.Bb5 Bd7 then 9. ... 0-0-0. But anyway, the text move (3. .. d6) is more usual and undoubtedly more solid.> |
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| Apr-27-05 |
| lopium: 3...Qd6 is maybe theory too. |
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Apr-27-05
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| Karpova: <lopium: 3...Qd6 is maybe theory too.> 3...qd6 is no legal move
<leviathan>
the chessgames.com database shows that white wins 64,3% of all games with 3...ne4: |
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Apr-27-05
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| acirce: And White wins 71.4% of all games with 1.g4.
3..Nxe4 is definitely not good but I think far from losing. |
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Apr-27-05
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| Karpova: <acirce>
after 1.g4 e6 black wins 50% of the games...
serious:
to call 3....ne4: a decisive mistake may have been exaggerated since black can still play on.
but i think we all agree on the fact that black has more difficulties in achieving equality after 3...ne4: than after 3...d6.
Pachmann's sacrifive may be interesting but when has this line been played at GM level? |
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| Jun-21-05 |
| Jaymthetactician: Also, why not 6...dxe5 7.dxe5,Nc6
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Jun-21-05
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| TheAlchemist: <Jay> See also Andrey D Mingrelia for an explanation. |
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| Aug-02-05 |
| dorn: <chessgames.com> The game is probably fictious. Pedro Damiano died in 1544, I've never heard about another chess player with the same name. And the game is identical to this one: Greco vs NN, 1620 |
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Aug-02-05
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| TheAlchemist: <dorn> Kibitzer <sneaky pete> suggested that (nearly) all the games dated 1801 seem to be dated wrong. So, the game itself could be real, but the date not. Hope that helps you (and <others> who ask this question). |
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| Nov-11-05 |
| AlexanderMorphy: this looks like one of them greco games...where he forces his opponent to take a minor piece and then wins the game in the very next move by winning the queen! |
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| Nov-11-05 |
| AlexanderMorphy: <dorn> yes you are correct this game is the exact same game as the Greco one! I knew i had seen a similar game somewhere! |
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| Feb-15-06 |
| prinsallan: Almost an exact copy of Grecos game here: Greco vs NN, 1620 |
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| Nov-03-06 |
| Rocafella: What can we learn from this game? I'll leave you to figure that out |
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| Mar-16-09 |
| dwavechess: 13/14 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move with rybka.abk book for Damiano |
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| Mar-16-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 3...Nxe4... even NN knows better than that |
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| May-24-09 |
| Amarande: It appears that 8 ... fxe5! is the right move here. This allows the threat to c7 posed by White's Nd5 to be covered by Nf6, rather than the uncomfortable Queen maneuvers that result in the loss in this game. White can then win a pawn by 10 Nxe7 Nxe4 11 Nxc8 Rxc8 12 dxe5 dxe5 13 fxe5, but it doesn't look like the extra pawn can be retained for long - e.g. 13 ... Bb4+ 14 Ke2 (best, if 14 c3? Nxc3!, and 14 Kd1 Rd8+ simply helps develop Black's game) O-O followed by Rce8 and the e5 pawn goes lost, since with e1 and f4 covered White is unable to adequately protect it in time. Not to mention Black has all his pieces in play and White none - against which White has only the advantage of the two Bishops. An unclear variation, in which I'd probably prefer Black. If instead 10 Nxf6+ (the only other reasonable alternative, as 10 Qf3? Nxd5 11 Qxd5 exd4+ is obviously bad for White) gxf6, and Black has saved the Pawn, with a useful open g-file should White castle short. It thus looks to me that this variation probably leads to O-O-O on both sides, with an unclear outcome. As this variation occurs rarely, it's difficult to say with clear authority who is for choice. Note that 11 Bb5+? appears to be bad here; 11 ... Bd7 looks good for White, as after the trade of Bishops, Black's Bishop is quite bad, but 11 ... c6! can be played instead. Kieseritzky shows the effects of this variation in NN vs Kieseritzky, 1846 if White should accept the Rook; if White attempts to decline with 12 Bd3 then 12 ... exd4 wins a Pawn as the pinned Queen cannot recapture. |
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Jul-24-09
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| just a kid: I think that 3...Nxe4? wasn't a decisive mistake,but it gives White a large advantage. |
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Aug-26-09
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| Knight13: Whoever NN was probably only spent 5 minutes looking over ...Nf6 seriously. |
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sac: 8.Nc3