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Ed Pilhal vs Wilhelm Steinitz
Vienna (1859), Oct-09
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Greco Gambit (C53)  ·  0-1


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Oct-10-06  bernardchinshin: Is 13.. f4 followed by 14.. Bxf3 (going back into the same game) a more precise move order?

Also, what happens if 15. fxe4
I looked at 15...Qg5 16.Kh1 fxe3 17.Qd5+ Kh8 18. Rg1 and could not see anything great for Black

I looked at 15..fxe3 16.Nc3 exf2+ 17. Kh1 dxe4 18.Qxe4 Qxd4 and did not think there was anything very convincing.

Oct-11-06  bernardchinshin: What if 19.e7
It does not look good for Black.
Oct-11-06  bernardchinshin: What if 20.Qxa8+ Rf8 21.Qxf8+ Kxf8 22.e7+ Kxe7 23. exd5+ Kf6 What is there for Black?
Oct-12-06  Cyphelium: <bernardchinshin> After 20. ♕xa8+ ♖f8 21. ♕xf8+ ♔xf8 22. e7, black plays 22.- ♔e8. Then something has to be done against the ♕xf2 threat, but neither 23. ♖e2 ♕g4+ 24. ♔f1 f3 nor 23. ♖f1 f3+ 24. ♔h1 (24. ♔xf3 ♕xe4 mate) 24.- ♗e5 is sufficient.

<Also, what happens if 15. fxe4 I looked at 15...Qg5 16.Kh1 fxe3 17.Qd5+ Kh8 18. Rg1 and could not see anything great for Black>

18.- exf2 does look pretty great though; 19. ♖xg5 f1♕+ 20. ♖g1 ♕f3+ 21. ♖g2 ♖ad8 etc. Or 19. ♖f1 ♖ad8.

Dec-10-10  Ychromosome: 16.Qc3 Bxd4 17.Qxd4 Nxf3+ wins the white Q.
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  wwall: Instead of 20...f3+ (which takes 7 moves to mate) Steinitz could have played 20...Qg4+ 21.Kh1 Qf3+ 22.Kg1 Rg5 mate.

White could have delayed the mate with 21...Be5 22.Bf4 Qxf4 23.Qxa8+ Rf8 24.Qxf8+ Kxf8 25.e7+ Kxe7 26.exd5 Qxh2 mate. Who knows? Black could have lost on time in this variation if they had chess clocks or hourglasses..

Jan-24-17  MrJafari: A short but eventful game,full of surprising moves for me!
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  zanzibar: At Black's move 17 Stockfish suggests the best way to conduct the attack is to bring the queen in via c8-h3 diagonal or by sacrificing the knight and using the d8-h4 diagonal.

That means a quiet preparatory 17...Kh8 for both cases, to keep the essential bishop deployed and freeing the Black queen.

There are some very deep attacking lines in this position, no matter what White plays:

(If 17...Kh8)

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r2q1r1k /p1p3pp/2Q5/3pP1n1/3b1p2/5P2/PP3PKP/RNB1R3 w - - 0 18

Note the simple answer to 18.e6 is 18...Qf6, and when White retreats the queen to defend the a1-rook the Black queen slides over to the g-file.

I think finding 17...Kh8 is GM-level, maybe beyond.

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  zanzibar: <bernardchinshin> is right, 18...Ne4? is a bad move, but White must find 19.e7! to win.

Again, referring to the previous post, after 19.e7, a nice distraction/interference move, Black finds the queen trapped on the back rank defending a8.

The two diagonals to the K-side are now shut down, and the f6 square is guarded by the White queen. Plus, after 19...Qe8, White can delay exchanging queens, playing 20.Qe6+.

All of the above show the utility of 17...Kh8, for properly preparing the attack.

It's a little beyond my skill level, but I think this is a very instructive position.

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  zanzibar: (I guess one could say this was Steinitz, before Steinitz was Steinitz).
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