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August Saalbach vs Hermann Pollmaecher
Leipzig (1861), Leipzig GER
Sicilian Defense: French Variation (B40)  ·  1-0
ANALYSIS [x]

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Nov-17-08
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  DarthStapler: Harder than a normal monday, but I still got it pretty easily
Nov-17-08  shrimppa: I solved in a couple of second. I'd examined very similar conditions. It's nice to see that exercises are useful :)
Nov-17-08  chopin4525: Nice minature! :P
Nov-17-08  benjinathan: I have thoughtr about this some more. I think what made it harder for me was that it was a Queen give away not just sacking the Queen by taking another piece.
Nov-17-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Easy as pie. White sacs the queen and delivers a picturesque mate with two knight.
Nov-17-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: I had to chuckle at this 'puzzle', since it looks like black should have resigned a move or two ago. Still, after looking at it for a moment, I went down a different (and somewhat less efficient) path than the game took, but I was happy enough where I ended up. :-)

I felt I could vacate f7 for my knight and attack black's lame h8 rook with 11.Qf6. To save his rook, black needs 11...Rg8.

But now I have 12.Nf7+ forcing 12...Ke8, and then 13.Ned6+ and black has two choices: resign, or surrender the queen with 13...Qxd6 13.Nxd6+.

Personally, I would have recommended resignation, but pretending that black played on, it goes: 13...Kd8 (forced) 14.Qf7+ (threatening Rg8), and the rook can't escape, e.g. 14...Rh8 15.Bf6 Kc7 16.Nb5+ and after black moves out of check, I eat the rook, Bxh8.

And if black still doesn't resign, I get to enjoy a nice game of sadistic chess. :-O

Nov-17-08  simsan: I spent a good while on this puzzle. The fact that the queen has to be sac'ed on monday is pretty "embedded" in my thinking. But sacing it for "no material at all", made this a little harder.

Nice puzzle.

Nov-17-08  TheTamale: It's tough to see Black play such an exceptional game and still get nailed in the end. That's gotta smart.
Nov-17-08  Suji: <tjshann>Without any analysis whatsoever, Qe8+. If this doesn't lead to mate, I have my days of the week mixed up.

That's funny.

I found by the process of elimination, but it didn't seem "very easy" to me.

Nov-17-08  JG27Pyth: H Pollmacher, (who does have a victory and a draw against Adolf Anderssen!) gives a performance unworthy of a drunken NN.

4...f5? some other equally bad ideas included:

<My father-in-law>: Chicken flavored ice cream -- cream and chicken taste good together, so why not?:

<Napoleon>: "Let's invade Russia."

<Europe>: "Let's confine Napoleon on this Island, it's not like he can get off and even if he did, who would follow him?"

7...g6? maybe Nf6 would have allowed him to lose more slowly?

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Nov-17-08  benjinathan: <<My father-in-law>: Chicken flavored ice cream -- cream and chicken taste good together, so why not?: >

I was in Turkey one time and was served ice cream (or it could have been pudding) made out of chicken. It was fine. It was stringy with the chicken but had no chicken taste, belying the old joke.

Nov-17-08  moi: I wrote: <Hence, the blunder must be 8 ... Qc7. It remains understandable though, because it is not obvious that black manages to gain a second knight for the rook h8 after Ng6+ Qxg6 Nf7. (Indeed, if black tries to capture it with Bg7, Bg5! saves the day for white, whence black has to take it back with the queen.)>

sorry I wrote this @#$%*&!#. In fact, black is already lost after Qf3 because: if 8 ... Qe7, then Bg5 followed by Nf6
if 8 ... Qb6, then Bg5!
if 8... Qa5+, then Bd2 followed by Bg5!

Nov-17-08  mworld: amazing how blind you can get when it comes to these - i missed it even after I played with the first move : ./
Nov-17-08  Woody Wood Pusher: Took me a little longer than usual, always have to double check those pesky Knight moves.
Nov-17-08  newzild: Easy-peasy lemon squeezy, but still nice.

These double-knight mates are always pretty.

Nov-17-08  zb2cr: Hi <JG27Pyth>:

Other bad ideas:

<Coca-Cola>: A bad-tasting, badly marketed product called "new Coke".

<Ford Motor Co.>: Edsel.

<White Star Line>: "The <Titanic> doesn't need more than the legally-mandated 16 lifeboats; she's unsinkable."

Nov-17-08  gambitfan: obvious ! a typical Monday puzzle !!
Nov-17-08  akapovsky: Knight moves are usually harder to visualize but still not hard once I thought of smother mate ideas,nice puzzle overall.
Nov-17-08  veerar: Easy!Very!
Nov-17-08
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  johnlspouge: < <zb2cr> wrote: [snip] Other bad ideas:

<Coca-Cola>: A bad-tasting, badly marketed product called "new Coke". >

"Bad-tasting, badly marketed" does not even run the gamut of flaws. New Coke is not even a superior contraceptive :)

http://www.straightdope.com/columns...

Nov-17-08  BraveUlysses: Took a few minutes to see it. White cannot allow black a moment to free his king by playing e.g. Qa5+, so it must be quite forcing. 11. Qe8+! forces mate in 3, with a cavalry charge sealing the king's fate Checking now...
Nov-17-08
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  zenpharaohs: Well it took me a couple minutes; Apparently I looked at everything else first. I definitely suspected the mating pattern but for some reason I couldn't find Qe8+ immediately. Then I remembered the general idea of using a sac to pull the king out of hiding and there it was.
Nov-18-08  PinnedPiece: <Then I remembered the general idea of using a sac to pull the king out of hiding and there it was.>

Interestingly, I din't see it until I realized my queen had to get out of the way of the knights.

Nov-18-08  zb2cr: Hi <johnlspouge>,

In reply to the article you linked--Wow. Just--wow. I suppose it's a tribute to human creativity, in a way. But what's of real interest to me is this: How was this research funded? And by whom?

I can just see the possible acknowledgment:

"This research was funded in part by a grant from PepsiCo."

"This preliminary research was funded by a grant from Coors Lite Beer, which is a superior contraceptive to Coke, tastes great, AND is less filling."

The possibilities are endless!

Nov-18-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  patzer2: For the Monday Nov 17, 2008 puzzle solution, White plays the Queen sacrifice 11. Qe8+! to initiate a three-move smothered mate combination.
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