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|Oct-08-07|| ||Waitaka: Yep. Monday.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||tjshann: Yes, there is a Queen sac, but not immediate mate. So, a little different than most Mondays.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: Cool. No forced mate in 2, but something more interesting (and more likely to happen in an everyday game) for a change.|
Black should've played 29...Nh5, I think.
|Oct-08-07|| ||dzechiel: White to move. Material even. "Very easy".
Indeed. The first move to look at on a Monday is a way to sacrifice the queen. In this case
30 Qxh8+ Kxh8 (forced) 31 Nxf7+ K moves 32 Nxd6 Rxd6
Nets white a quick exchange and pawn. This should be enough to win the endgame.
|Oct-08-07|| ||syracrophy: This is not of a Monday. A Monday Puzzle ends faster. It ends in a few moves after the queen sac, and here it passed a long way 'till victory|
|Oct-08-07|| ||not yet a patzer: Okay, I'm a dumb dumb, but I don't like sac'ing my queen to set up a royal fork. So I looked elsewhere and found nothing. |
THIS IS TWO MONDAYS IN A ROW THAT I HAVE MISSED!!!!!
I'M MELTING! I'M MELTING! AAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
|Oct-08-07|| ||willyfly: Still a lot of material left on the board after 29 moves and it's equal. The black ♖ on h8 threatens to take White's ♕ but it's White's move and so the tables are turned and it's the ♖ which is captured with a forceful check.|
30 ♕xh8+ ♔xh8 Black's only legal move.
31 ♘xf7+ puts the fork on ♔ and ♕
31...♔g7 32 ♘xd6 ♖xd6 33 ♖e7+ ♔f8 34 ♖xb7
White is up a ♙ and has traded ♘ for ♖ and stands to gain another ♙ with ♗xg6 and should have no trouble winning this one. Not as simple as the usual Monday ♕ sac which makes me suspect I have missed something. So I will look now and see.
oh darn - I only saw the first five moves and missed the subsequent sixteen
|Oct-08-07|| ||Fezzik: I found the correct response immediately, but I still wonder if games that don't end in an immediate mate should be chosen for Monday puzzles.|
This particular game continued with Black gaining some unreasonable drawing chances. The combination was winning, but proving it was almost too much for poor old Max Judd! He must be old since the game was played in 1874!
|Oct-08-07|| ||Waitaka: <not yet a patzer> Cmon, you found it. You saw the royal fork, and nothing better. You found but did not believe you did. Cheer up!|
|Oct-08-07|| ||nimzo knight: I have no complains about Monday puzzle not ending in a mate. I think whole idea is for the puzzle to be easy. Which means requiring less depth of calculation and less imagination to find the move. The move should lead to material gain, not necessarily a checkmate.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||Oregon104: <Fezzik: The combination was winning, but proving it was almost too much for poor old Max Judd! He must be old since the game was played in 1874!>|
His bio page on this site says Max Judd was born in 1851... so if that's right he was about 23 years old at the time of this game...
|Oct-08-07|| ||Waitaka: <Oregon104> But he has 156 years right now!|
|Oct-08-07|| ||mkrk17: I got confused because i immediately saw Qh8+ Kh8, Nf7+ royal fork, which wins the exchange.|
But since its a monday, i was searching for a queen-sac + mate, which i could not find. Then i tried finding any other mates, but there were none.
Anyway, glad to know that i didnt goof up a monday since my solution is correct.
The day i goof up on monday, i will give up playing chess (whatever amatuer chess that i play).
|Oct-08-07|| ||King mega: I have the same thoughts as what <mkrk17> says.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||Alphastar: I think black played on too long.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||arsen387: I found a great game
Smbat G Lputian vs Maxim Dlugy 1 - 0
A fantastic attacking game
|Oct-08-07|| ||whiteshark: Reminds me about this great Petrosian game:
Petrosian vs Spassky, 1966
It's the <'long' ♕h8-♘f7xd6 fork theme>
<arsen387> link to a.m. game Lputian vs Dlugy, 1998
|Oct-08-07|| ||Civhai: I had to think much longer than for example last wednesday, because I searched a mating combination. At the end, I found the solution, but I think this is more difficult than most monday puzzles.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||zb2cr: I, too, am conditioned by past <chessgames.com> Monday puzzles to look for a speedy mate. I spent some 20 seconds looking at 30. Qxh8, Kxh8; 31. Bxf6+ before concluding there was nothing there. Then, I reconsidered and saw the fork. |
The Mason variation in Petroff's Defense (to use the old name) is supposed to be a quieter opening line than other classical lines. In this game, Black let his development lag--he didn't move his light-squared Bishop until move 20. This gave White time to organize a slow, determined Kingside attack.
|Oct-08-07|| ||not yet a patzer: <Waitaka: <not yet a patzer> Cmon, you found it. You saw the royal fork, and nothing better. You found but did not believe you did. Cheer up!>|
Hmmm, so trading a knight for a rook is the solution? Okay, I'll cheer up:o)
|Oct-08-07|| ||realbrob: Okay, so this was a Monday and I looked for an easy, rapid way to finish the game off, but it was immediately clear there was none. So the best thing to do was follow cg.com's 11th commandment ("thou shalt sacrifice thy queen every monday") and play 30.Qxh8+ Kxh8 followed by the royal fork. It seems I was right.|
|Oct-08-07|| ||Men Tal: Board Assessment
White: Queen under attack, strong knight posting at e5
Black: King more exposed, Rooks uncoordinated
Suggested solution 30. Qxh8+ KxQ 31. Nxf7+ (nasty fork)K moves 32. NxQ RxN and White is up the exchange plus a pawn. If not capitulation, White could continue the assault with Re7+ (had the K moved to the 2nd rank, cleaning up the b pawn with the Rook, leaving Black's g pawn exposed, and should he choose, continue to trade off material with Bxf6 RxF6 at some point.
|Oct-08-07|| ||znprdx: Sheesh someone woke up in a grumpy mood (too much turkey visting Canadian relatives for our Thanksgiving?) Anyway what was with Black's death wish 34...c5? At least Nd7 may have provided a glimmer of hope or perhaps even better Ne4. In real life these kind of exchange up games more often than not deteriorate into draws...PS where was the problem?
After White's 27.Kh2? I am curious - Nh5 looks pretty strong. An 1874 Petroff - who are these players - could they see the future? :)|
|Oct-08-07|| ||znprdx: <mkrk17: The day i goof up on monday, i will give up playing chess & King mega:> Trust me it will happen - there are some amazing chess positions - and on the contrary precisely because you may miss it, will deepen your resolve to continue play - you won't quit. By the way you'd be in good company:
>Blunders and Brilliancies< by Moe Moss, Ian Mullen, 1985 Pergamon Chess Series (ISBN: 0080371361)|
|Oct-08-07|| ||xrt999: < znprdx: Anyway what was with Black's death wish 34...c5? At least Nd7 may have provided a glimmer of hope or perhaps even better Ne4.> |
I agree, pretty bad move. It is along the same lines as 9...dxc4 allowing white to develop his light square bishop pinning the f7 pawn, where it stays pretty much the whole game.
In any event, at this point black is down the exchange and the moves are pretty much moot, black is hoping for a miracle.
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