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May-20-05
 | | hintza: Brilliant, victory for us wolf fans! |
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| May-20-05 | | Milo: 68...Qxg1 69.Qc3+ looks quite alright for black. This is a great defensive game by J Po, and 60.Bg8+(!) is a nice way to force the draw. |
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May-20-05
 | | Annie K.: Yay!!! :D |
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May-20-05
 | | TheSlid: Annie K.: Yay!!! :D
Say again please, <Annie K>! |
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May-20-05
 | | WannaBe: <aw1988> The pic would be too small to read the tie... 8=) |
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May-20-05
| | Annie K.: "Again please". ;p |
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May-20-05
| | TheSlid: Ha ha <Annie K> The point is that I missed your point. But yr humour is very much the same as mine. |
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May-20-05
| | Annie K.: Ah, ok. What point did you miss? LOL. The "Yay" comment was in celebration of the Return of the Wolf. :) |
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May-20-05
| | TheSlid: I also say Yay!! to the Return of the Wolf.
And apologies for being a bit slow... its the age, you know! |
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May-20-05
| | Pawsome: * Avatar noun: the manifestation of a Hindu deity (especially Vishnu) in human or superhuman or animal form . Both Will and the wolf are acceptable, therefore. |
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May-20-05
| | Annie K.: <TheSlid> Riiight... When you get to twice that age, you may start invoking age as an excuse. ;p <Pawsome> acceptable yes, but - with no disrespect intended to W.S. - the wolf is a bit more photogenic. ;) |
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May-20-05
| | aw1988: Slow? Eh? Slow? Slow? What? Huh? Slow? Eh? Me? Slow? Wha.. |
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May-20-05
 | | Richard Taylor: I thought Judit may have been able to play 23... b4 25. h:g (I know this looks scary so it is a probably better t play what she played)  :g7 26.  :d6 (say)  :d6 27.  h6 f7 28. f4 and now g6 or b: d3 or a3 the position is unclear (to me at least)Also I suppose others thought of this but (I was very tired it was about 3 am or so) I thought 28...b2+ 29.  b2 d5+ 30. c3 b8+ 31. c1 :a4 32. e4 a3+ 33. d1 b1+ 34 d2 :a2+ 35. d3 (35 e3 d5+ is possible) :a1
36.f3 or 36. c7 - obviously tsi may have been seen by Polgar - and either they saw a refutation of Rb2+ ro time pressure affected things - I cant judge the position -but I suppose someone could run it past their brain or a computer..I probably missed something -I know there are other ides or moves... A fascinating struggle both gave a great account - I missed the end of the game.. |
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May-21-05
| | catfriend: The wolf is back! Vivat le loup!
And I guess I can't use my age as an escuse yet:( Perhaps when I'm 4 times older:) |
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| May-21-05 | | TIMER: It was a good game, Polgar played very well, and even though she was black she came so close to winning ( I think she was winning until she slipped up by allowing the bishop sacrifice to perpetual (eg. 59 ... Rf2 looks winning still) She deserved more than a draw after all that! Topalov did well to save himself, but I think Topalov must have played dubiously in the opening (perhaps with the queen manouevre as Polgar says) to allow black to dominate, but it was very exciting. It could have been Kasparov playing black. |
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May-23-05
| | InspiredByMorphy: <aw1988> I like the wolf better too. |
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| May-23-05 | | Milo: There are two reasons Topa won this tournament:
1. Amazing calculations and such (60.Bg8+)
2. A little help from his friends... (59...Rg1) |
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| May-23-05 | | The 3 Gambiteers: Am I the only one who liked Shakespeare better than the wolf? |
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May-24-05
 | | Boomie: <Richard Taylor> Your idea of 23...b4 sent me on a scavenger hunt until I stumbled on a line which gives white the advantage. As in most double edged positions with kings castled on opposite sides, the initiative decides. Here white's attack develops first after 24. hxg7 Nxg7 25. Rh4. I'm including all the other lines I examined because they show the resources for both sides in this wonderful position. 23... b4 24. hxg7 Nxg7 25. Rh4 bxc3 26. Nxc3 Rb8 27. Rdh1 h5 28. Rxh5 Kf7 29. Rh7 Rg8 30. R1h6 Qb6 31. Nd1 Ba4 32. Qh4 (1.01) (25. Ba6 Rb8 26. axb4
(26. Ne2 bxa3 27. b3 a4 (-1.84))
26... axb4 27. Ne2 Ra8 28. Rxd6 Qxd6 29. Bc4 Ba4 30. b3 Bc6 (-1.44)) (25. Rxd6 Qxd6 26. Bh6 Rf7 27. f4 Ng6 28. axb4 axb4 29. Nb5 Qb8 (-2.54)) (25. axb4 axb4 26. Bxe5 fxe5
(26... Bxe5 27. Qh4 h5
(27... Bxc3 28. Qxh7+ Kf7 29. f4
(29. bxc3 bxc3 30. Nxc3 Qb8+ 31. Kc1 Rh8 (-4.54))
(29. Rh6 Qg3 30. bxc3 bxc3 31. Ka1 Ra8 32. f4 Rh8 33. Qxh8 Rxh8 34. Rxh8 Qxf4 (-1.41)) 29... Rg8 30. e5 Bd5 31. Rxd5 exd5 32. Nxc3 bxc3 33. Rh6) 28. Nxb4 Bxc3 29. bxc3 Ba4 30. Qe1 Rb8 (-0.32))
27. Rh6
(27. Qh2 h5)
(27. Qh4 h5 28. Nb5 Bxb5 29. Bxb5 Qxc2+ 30. Ka1 Ra8 (-3.41)) (27. Nb5 Bxb5 28. Bxb5 Qxc2+ 29. Ka1 Ra8 30. Rxd6 b3 31. Ba6 Qc7 (-4.82)) 27... bxc3 28. Rdh1 Rb8 (-2.44))
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May-29-05
 | | patzer2: Topalov's 60. Bg8+!! is a brilliant defensive stroke, forcing the draw. According to Fritz 8, 59. Rg1? was the error allowing the draw and Polgar's only winning chance was with 59... Rf2! 60. Ra8 Rf8 61. Qd4 (not 61. Rxf8?? Ra7#) 61...Rxa8+ 62. Bxa8 Qe1 63. Ka4 Kxh6  (-1.31 @ 14 depth & 1265kN/s). |
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Jun-10-05
| | Richard Taylor: <boomie> take the first line you give I would play 27. ... Rb2+ ! eg 28. Kxb2 Rb8+ 29. Ka2 Bd5+ 30. e:d5 Q:c3 31. Q:g7+ K:g7 32. Rh7+ Kg6 (!) 33. Rhh6+ Kf5 !! and White is lost ...there are many many other moves in that first line - I had a game with the Najdorf (which got like this position and found incredible resources for both sides - your comp is missing things in that first variation - there is a threat of Qxg7+ for Black to watch for and mate also but I still feel Judit may have been able to win -but a Tal might have gone in for it - I can understand her not doing so also... |
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Jun-10-05
| | Richard Taylor: I think taht 23...b5 is winning for Black or very stong ( or as near as dammit) |
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Jun-10-05
| | Richard Taylor: <boomie> you are right- it is an incredible position - the Position of the 21st Century - still looking at the lines you gave... |
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Jun-28-05
| | aw1988: Howwwwwwl. |
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| Jan-16-09 | | WhiteRook48: this is a good candidate for game of the century this century. |
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