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|Sep-10-05|| ||Gypsy: To me, the greatest pleasure of these puzzles is to observe how we all think ... and that includes the silicone ones.|
As long as people are not intimidated from posting their own analysis (and I do not see that hapening) posting silicone analysis is just fine. Folks around here seem to have a good sense to know when Fritz + Co add to the discussion, rather then subtracting from it. (Please, do make sure to credit the electronics when the analysis is from them.)
The new puzzle format is a good improvement.
Found 28...Bxf6 and did not even examine 28...e2.
|Sep-10-05|| ||snowie1: Thanks <patzer2>, I understand some of the precepts, but I resist them anyway. That's why I need the feedback. Now, let's see...16.Qe2?..
Not exf5? or cxb5?|
|Sep-10-05|| ||Madman99X: The chessgames database is approximately 320,000 games, and takes up 207 mb on my hard drive. Over a DSL connection, I was able to download the zips from each section of years (approximately 20 zip files) in the course of about 1 hour.|
|Sep-10-05|| ||Benzol: Don't know whether the chessgames database is the largest one but I can say that there are games in it that you won't find anywhere else.|
|Sep-10-05|| ||Tiamat: If anyone is still reading this, could they please tell me why after 26 f6|
26 f6 Bxf6 27 Rxf6 Qxf6 28 Qxf6 Rd1 29 Qf1 e2
And you're pretty assuredly have the game.
Am I making a mistake?
|Sep-10-05|| ||Happypuppet: I think you're right. This puzzle is a rather complex one, and the kibitzing here is very interesting and worth the read. It may further enlighten you. :)|
|Sep-11-05|| ||patzer2: <Madman99x> Thanks for the information on downloading the ChessGames.com database. I don't currently have 207MB free, so I'll have to consider a second hard drive (or a second PC) before looking into that option.|
|Sep-11-05|| ||Gypsy: < Tiamat: If anyone is still reading this, could they please tell me why after 26 f6 Bxf6 27 Rxf6 Qxf6 28 Qxf6 Rd1 29 Qf1 e2 ... you're pretty assuredly have the game. Am I making a mistake? > There are several answers to your question (or to what I fancy to be your question).|
(1) First, Black would be up a clear exchange in the endgame after <26 f6 Bxf6 27 Rxf6 Qxf6 28 Qxf6 Rd1 29 Qf1 e2> 30.Ne3 exf1Q+ 31.Nxf1 Rb1 ..., as both pawns on the Q-side will fall before White untangles his knight and king. The rest is then a question of technical chess.
(2) Second, Black can play more forcefully still: <26 f6 Bxf6 27 Rxf6> e2! where the e-pawn queens with a decisive effect. Behold, 28.Rf1 e1Q 29.Rxe1 Qxe1#.
(3) Third, White is therefore compelled to either (3.1) capture the bishop by queen <26 f6 Bxf6> 27.Qxf6, instead; or (3.2) get rid of the troublesome pawn <26 f6 Bxf6> 27.Nxe3. However, in (3.1) Black simply reverts back to the endgame (1) via: <26 f6 Bxf6> 27.Qxf6 Qxf6 28.Rxf6 Rd1+ 29.Rf1 e2 30.Ne3 (30.Re1 Rxe1+ 31.Kf2 Rc1 ...) 30...exf1Q+ 31.Nxf1 Rb1 .... etc. And (3.2) leads after <26 f6 Bxf6> 27.Nxc3 Qxc3+ 28.Kh1 Bxb2 to just a differently hopeless predicament for White.
I hope this helps.
|Sep-11-05|| ||atrifix: I got this one--26... Bxf6 obviously wins in view of 27. Rxf6 e2, or 27. Qxf6 Qxf6 28. Rxf6 Rd1+ 29. Rf1 e2, so White's only option is to give up a piece with a totally lost position by 26. Nxe3 Qxe3+ 27. Kh1 Bxb2.|
I looked at 26... e2 briefly, but my intuition told me that it was very complicated, whereas 26... Bxf6 was an easy win. Luckily my chess 'sense' guided me out of this line--I don't know if I would have seen 28. Ne3 if I hadn't analyzed 26... Bxf6 to an easy win.
I never considered 26... Qc5, but it's not as good as 26... Bxf6 because of 27. b4 Qd4 28. Nxe3 Qxe3+ 29. Kh1 with a much worse position compared with the 26... Bxf6 line.
|Sep-14-05|| ||WannaBe: <Madman99x> Thanks for the info.
<patzer2> Get something like 200G external firewire HD. That'll last/hold quite a few 1k PGNs :-)|
|Oct-16-07|| ||whiteshark: White saw 28.Kh1 exf1Q# and 28.Rf2 e1Q#, and therefore resigned.|
|Feb-24-08|| ||whiteshark: Oh no, not you again! (:D|
|Jul-31-12|| ||PhilFeeley: What did I miss? The note for the game says <White resigns unnecessarily, as 28.Ne3 would allow White
to cover f1 and win the game.>, but ...Bxe3+ continues the mating attack, to which there is no defense. Help me out!|
|Jul-31-12|| ||Honza Cervenka: <PhilFeeley: What did I miss? The note for the game says <White resigns unnecessarily, as 28.Ne3 would allow White to cover f1 and win the game.>, but ...Bxe3+ continues the mating attack, to which there is no defense. Help me out!> There's no mating attack after 28.Ne3! Bxe3+ 29.Kh1 as the Queen from a6 covers f1 and 29...Rd1 is met by mate in two 30.e8Q+ Kg7 31.Qf6#.|
|Jul-31-12|| ||njchess: That is a tough way to lose!|
|Jul-31-12|| ||The Last Straw: what a *person*.|
|Jul-31-12|| ||kevin86: White gives up a win and resigns a winnable sequel.
|Jul-31-12|| ||Once: That's gotta hurt. There ought to be an unpronounceable German word for resigning in a won position.|
Something like oopsenfiddlesticksenzwang. That ought to do it.
|Jul-31-12|| ||The Last Straw: Final position:
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White could have won with 38.♘e3! as after 38…♗xe3+ 39.♔h1 exf1=♕+ he had 40.♕xf1.
|Jul-31-12|| ||The Last Straw: position after 40.♕xf1
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|Jul-31-12|| ||The Last Straw: White has 3 extra pawns and one is passed, plus he has the advantage of a queen for rook and bishop for my previous diagram.|
|Jul-31-12|| ||The Last Straw: sorry myfingers apparently slippd|
|Aug-02-12|| ||DarthStapler: All three are passed|
|Aug-06-12|| ||Once: Interesting concept. In <The Last Straw>'s diagram, White has three extra pawns - an advantage of five pawns to two. How many of these extra three pawns are passed?|
If you say that the extra pawns are the a, b and e pawns, then Darth is quite correct. All three extra pawns are passed.
But if you dress on the other side, you might say that the extra pawns are the e, g and h pawns. And only one of these is passed.
Ho hum. I suppose the answer is to say that white has three extra pawns. In addition, three of his pawns are passed.
|May-08-15|| ||clement41: after Ne3 it is actually white that is winning!|
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