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|Apr-14-07|| ||playground player: Have we done well by bringing computers into chess?
I studied art history in college. One day I was helping the professor clean out his storage space, and I came upon some twisted pieces of fiberglas junk. "Should I take these out to the dumpster?" I asked. He reacted with horror: "Oh, no, no! Those are my exhibition at the so-and-so gallery in New York next week!" "You gotta be kidding." "Not kidding at all--this is the kind of crap they want to see."
Now this man was an excellent painter, and a keen historian of art; and he was producing junk because it paid well. You see this kind of crap in doctors' offices, public buildings, and corporate offices everywhere--purchased by ignoramuses because they have no idea what "art" is, but they like to brag about how much they pay for it.
No one can define "art" in a way that satisfies everyone. But as far as the "art" in chess goes, there is no way today's product can compare "artistically" to what Morphy and Anderssen and Steinitz were producing back in the 19th century. And I think our current fixation with computers is in some measure responsible for that.
|Apr-14-07|| ||Mendrys: Yes, indeed if the purpose of chess is to create beautiful, artistic positions and combinations then perhaps it has lost some of it's luster. However, if it were possible for Morphy to play a game with a modern GM (and get crushed 10 times in a row.) I don't think he would see his chess as being superior or in any way better.|
|Apr-14-07|| ||keypusher: I don't understand. Hydra played a beautiful game. If you had asked me to guess the identity of the White player I would never have suspected a computer. If there is <art> in chess, this is it! |
<But as far as the "art" in chess goes, there is no way today's product can compare "artistically" to what Morphy and Anderssen and Steinitz were producing back in the 19th century.>
I couldn't disagree more. There is no 19th century game that compares artistically to the best games today.
|Apr-14-07|| ||gambitfan: GOD Sa 14/04/2007
Game of the Day!
|Apr-14-07|| ||siu02jm: possible continuations:
28. Bxh6 gxh6 29. Nxh6+ Kh7 30. Rxf6 Bxf6 31. Qh5 d4 32.
Ng4+ Kg8 33. Nxf6+ Kg7 34. Qg5+ Kh8 35. Qh6#
White mates 1-0
28. Bxh6 gxh6 29. Nxh6+ Kh7 30. Rxf6 Bxf6 31. Qh5 Rc6 32.
Nf5+ Kg8 33. Qg4+ Kh7 34. Re3 (zwagzwang?)
|Apr-14-07|| ||siu02jm: <playground player:>
i don't believe that professor meant what he said.|
|Apr-14-07|| ||Troglodyte: I don't think the art in chess is a certain style, it's the pure struggle between two human beings. When the players give it everything they have to win the art reaches its highest form, no matter how they try to do it (style or strategy). |
There's no art in playing against a machine.
|Apr-14-07|| ||ztnepres: what if black did 26... Ne4?|
|Apr-14-07|| ||Chessmensch: - Hydramatic vs. stick shift.
- Hydrazine (rocket fuel).
|Apr-14-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <ztnepres: what if black did 26... Ne4?>|
27.Qg4 threatens mate, after any response
28. Nxh6+ wins the black queen
|Apr-14-07|| ||CapablancaRuyLopez: Sorry but whats "Slipped a Mickey" mean??|
|Apr-14-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <CapablancaRuyLopez: Sorry but whats "Slipped a Mickey" mean?>|
|Apr-14-07|| ||kevin86: A computer won this game in a brilliant way. I think Mr.Adams was bitten by a few of the snake heads of the Hydra.|
|Apr-15-07|| ||fm avari viraf: I think, this was one of Mickey's five losses & he could only drew one. He was no match to the nine headed serpent. One has to be Hercules to accomplish such a feat!|
|May-20-07|| ||IMDONE4: wrong opening to use against a computer; the closed ruy lopez is too book, however props to the computer for opening up a closed game with ingenius moves like Ra6, Rd6, and Bh6|
|Jun-02-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: With the pair of moves 23 Ba4 and 24 Bxd7 White exchanges a Black QB which defends the point f5 for a White KB which does not attack it. This transaction can be called profitable for this reason, and it gains for White the post f5 for the White KN. The White KN on f5 will be one of the ingredients of White's subsequent King side attack.|
|Jan-09-09|| ||WhiteRook48: these puns are hilarious.|
|Feb-09-09|| ||WhiteRook48: hydra-electricity|
|Jul-13-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 28...Bxd6?|
|Nov-29-11|| ||Penguincw: Wow. The first time white moved their dark square ♗ black had to throw in the towel.|
|Jun-30-12|| ||HeadCrunch: Bishop x pawn?? g7xh6 & black is winning! Why did Adams resign here???|
|Jul-07-13|| ||talwnbe4: better after 26. Ra6 was 26..dxe4
although white has a near pawn advantage
|Jul-07-13|| ||Nerwal: I remember back them all the engines were struggling to even suggest 28. ♗xh6 and this felt like a God-like move. Now Houdini 1.5 gives it with a crushing advantage instantly...|
|Jul-21-13|| ||talwnbe4: Bxh6 looks pretty strong to me too. Not an example of a move a GM should find hard to see as a candidate move. I played the game out after 26..dxe4 on a computer and the game petered to a draw. Adams blundered when he overlooked 26..dxe4, simple as that.|
|Dec-04-15|| ||Kinghunt: Quite impressive not only that Hydra won in such a fashion, but that it also did it in an opening system that Adams is a specialist in. The position through move 15 had been seen dozens of times, and after only 12 further moves, Adams has to throw in the towel.|
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