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| Apr-15-06 | | wintep: 40. Ne2 seems awful to me, it lets the rook in. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Great game! Those knights sure are a plague to White. Could someone please explain the pun? Thanks. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | jperr75108: Wow total domination by Ponomariov. His pieces are very very active while whites are sitting around. An instructive game. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | lentil: horse rustling = stealing.. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | zabbura2002: Pono's knight is dangerous as usual... |
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| Apr-15-06 | | mac17: Good pun!! Very appropriate.. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | alexandrovm: annoying knights... |
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| Apr-15-06 | | dakgootje: <horse is an insult to the rider. they are knights, knights!> Hmmmm, i wont say anything about some selfcentered, typical american, view of the world, as im not the kind of person to say such things. Though if i would've been only slightly differant it could have been that i raged now about such things...but i wont...yes it was a close call... Back to the subject: why would horse be an insult to the particular chesspiece? Please correct me if im wrong, but i was very much under the impression that there are also a LOT of languages which have a word for the chess-knight what would be best translated as HORSE, instead of knight. If i remember the english and french language have the knight, the spanish, portuguese and italian people have horse, and the german and at least some scandinavian languages have springer which i dont know how to translate correctly, but im under the impression that translation is closer to horse then to knight. so im open for suggestions about other languages as i dont know anything about other languages on this subject, but i want to end this post with: They are horses, horses! ;-) |
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| Apr-15-06 | | dakgootje: Done a little research, though i wont be able to paste it in one post i think, thus deleting my previous one, and editing it, so forgive me for an eventual double post ;-) <The Knight has remained the same since Chaturanga, which is widely regarded as the first form of Chess. Its original Sanskit name is asva or ashwa, which meant horse. The Persians called it an asp, and the Arabs called it a faras, both words meaning horse. When Chess reached Europe, the concept behind Chess became a royal court rather than a battlefield, and the horse was rechristened as a Knight, which had a place in a royal court, and which normally rode upon a horse. Since all warriors at the time rode horses, the piece was sometimes just called a miles, which meant soldier. The Germans called it Ritter, which means rider, but later took to calling it Springer, which means jumper. Except for Iceland, which got Chess from Britain, the Scandinavian countries used the German name of Springer. In European languages, the piece is often called by the word for horseman, rider, knight, or jumper. The French call it a cavalier, which means knight. Outside of Europe, but also in parts of Europe, it is normally known by the word for horse. For example, the Spanish call it caballo, which means horse.> http://www.chessvariants.com/piecec... |
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| Apr-15-06 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <dakgootje> I think you are overreacting a bit to what <Confuse> said. However, I must admit that I wouldn't be too surprised if, at some point in the near future, there was a movement among some of my countrymen to give the piece a *real* American name, like "cowboy"... |
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| Apr-15-06 | | kevin86: Rarely do we see the true ballet of knights hopping like this one! Looks almost like a merry-go-round,lol. The chess knight has a lot of different names in different languages. May I suggest another? Since the knight has a small range,is very lethal,very predacious,and its move has eight legs-I would suggest a SPIDER |
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| Apr-15-06 | | KingV93: wow, I was about to post something about snotty european elitism but then I realized that I'm just not that kind of a guy. ;) |
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| Apr-15-06 | | CapablancaFan: <kevin86> <Rarely do we see the true ballet of knights hopping like this one! Looks almost like a merry-go-round,lol.> Here's a little performance from Capablanca where his horses...ok, knights had the final say. Capablanca vs Yates, 1924 |
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| Apr-15-06 | | dakgootje: <wow, I was about to post something about snotty european elitism but then I realized that I'm just not that kind of a guy. ;)> Glad your not, if we all were just a little differant this whole place would explode because of all the yelling people =) <Since the knight has a small range,is very lethal,very predacious,and its move has eight legs-I would suggest a SPIDER> Hereby the former knight on chessgames.com is replaced with a piece called SPIDER *applauds* <Gregor Samsa Mendel> ah yes now i re-read my first post here i understand what you mean, though i only saw the sentence and found it interesting enough to post something more about, but i wasnt intending at all to offend or whatever <confuse> ;-) |
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| Apr-15-06 | | Ezzy: Andranik Matikozian - Ruslan Ponomariov [B12]
EU-ch U18 Rimavska Sobota (2), 1996
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.h4 h5 5.c4 e6 6.Nc3 Nd7 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Bg5 Be7 9.Qd2 a6 10.Nge2 Bg6< Other moves in this position have been 10...Rc8 10...b5 10...Qa5 10...Nb6> 11.Ng3 Nh6 12.Bd3< I don't think this position has existed before.> 12...Bxd3 13.Qxd3 <White is now attacking the h5 pawn> 13...Bxg5 14.hxg5 Qxg5 15.Rxh5 Qe7 16.0–0–0 0–0–0 17.Rdh1 f6 18.f4 fxe5 19.fxe5 Rhf8 20.Rf1 Nb8 21.Qd2 Rxf1+ 22.Nxf1 Nc6 23.Nh2?! <This allows the black knight to enter f5 unchallenged. 23 Ne3 I would think is more accurate>. 23...Qf7 24.Rh3 Kb8 <A simple side step by the king which allows the strong 25...Rc8> 25.b3 Rc8 26.Kb2 Nf5 27.Nf3 <A better plan seems to be [27.Ne2 Qg6 28.g4 Removing the knight from its f5 outpost, and white also has the f4 square for his knight.]> 27...Qg6< Ponomariov threatens 28...Nfxd4 29 Nxd4 Nxd4 30 Qxd4 Qxb2+ picking up the rook.> 28.Rh2< 28 Qf2 pinning the knight seems a less passive defence than 28 Rh2. The retreat of this rook now allows> 28...Qg3! <A nice finesse. Black wants his queen on g4 attacking d4, but would prefer whites rook to be on h3 so that white cannot defend d4 by 30 Ne2 as white will then win the undefended g2 pawn. These are the moves us amateurs never seem to find.> 29.Rh3 Qg4 30.Qf2 g5 <I don't know why Ponomariov didn't just play [30...Ncxd4 winning the pawn]> 31.Rh7< Possibly white should just consolidate. He doesn't have any counterattacking chances so should passively defend for the moment with [31.Ne2 Nb4 32.Ne1 Qe4 33.Qf3 Where black still has the advantage, but not as much as in the game continuation with 31 Rh7]> 31...Nb4 <Threatening the dreaded fork on d3. Rarely does a night go by when you walk into a fork like this in your late evening blitz games.> 32.Qd2 Qf4 33.Qxf4 gxf4 34.a3 Nd3+ 35.Kc2 Nf2< Heading for e4 winning the c3 knight>. 36.Kd2 Rg8 37.Rh2 Ng4 38.Rh5 Nge3 39.Rg5 Rc8 40.Ne2 Rc2+ 41.Kd3 Rb2 42.Nd2 Nd1 43.Rg6 Nf2+ 44.Kc3 Ra2 45.Nxf4 Ne3< Ponomariov is starting to weave a mating net. This is just pure genius by Ponomariov>. 46.Nf3 ] 46...a5 <Threat is 47...Rc7 mate!> 47.b4 Rxa3+ 48.Kd2 axb4 49.Ke2 Ne4 50.Nd3 b3 51.Rxe6 Nxg2 52.Nfe1 Ra2+ 0–1I am astounded at the brilliant play of Ponomariov in this game!! I now know why Ponomariov didn’t take the pawn 30...Ncxd4. It is because these world class players try to keep the game complicated instead of simplifying for a misely pawn. Ponomariov’s calculating skills in this game were near perfection. This to me is a Ponomariov masterpiece!! I am looking forward to his participation in the M-Tel masters. If he plays like this, who knows what he can do. A chess craftsman at his best.
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| Apr-15-06 | | Ezzy: Blimey, he was 13 when he played this. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | kavalerov: Well, just to pipe in about knights and their horses, no one seems to have mentioned that in Russian, the knight is called "kon'," which means "steed." In this case, it would be an insult to call it a horse. And, what's more, not to an American horse and his cowboy, but to a Russian steed and his "sadovnik." While I'm at it, both of you seem to be spelling "different" as "differant," which is the same thing that Derrida, a very snotty European if you ask me, did. Really beautiful game by Ponomariov, and at 13! Thanks for pointing that out, <Ezzy>. Also, I think that 30 ... Nxd4 gets followed by 31. Nxd4 Nxd4 32. Rh4, laying the steed to rest, way before its time. |
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| Apr-15-06 | | alexandrovm: <kavalerov: Well, just to pipe in about knights and their horses, no one seems to have mentioned that in Russian, the knight is called "kon'," which means "steed." In this case, it would be an insult to call it a horse. And, what's more, not to an American horse and his cowboy, but to a Russian steed and his "sadovnik."...> Cavalo, in portuguese, which means horse. As pointed earlier, Caballo in spanish, which means horse as well... |
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| Apr-15-06 | | euripides: Perhaps instead of kon' or cowboy we could compromise with neocon. |
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| Apr-17-06 | | dakgootje: <no one seems to have mentioned that in Russian, the knight is called "kon'," which means "steed."> Thats probably because i didnt have any information about the russian name for the 'knight', but as <Outside of Europe, but also in parts of Europe, it is normally known by the word for horse.>, so what about calling it a HORSE instead of a knight? Its a international site isnt it? <both of you seem to be spelling "different" as "differant"> We here in the netherlands call that a MIERENEUKER, as you might have missed it but im DUTCH, thus english is NOT my first language, im just 16 years old but trying to improve my english when the years come and go, and to be honest im quite bad at english so i KNOW that i make pretty much grammar and toher mistake, so you dont have to remind me about it, thank you |
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| Apr-17-06 | | Jafar219: Also the bishop is called `slon`in russian which means `elephant`. |
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| Apr-17-06 | | kavalerov: <dakgootje> Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. Your English is rather good, so don't take the "differant" comment to heart. I just thought it was a funny coincidence. If it's any consolation, Russian is not my first language, and I gave "sadovnik" (gardener) instead of "vsadnik" (horseman), so I have much further to go than you do, clearly. |
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| Apr-18-06 | | dakgootje: Hard to keep up with all the different languages... so thats why i stopped with french and german when i had the opportunity... *points at the screen: heey i wrote different correctly! ;-)* Ow btw, often i know how to write it correctly though because of the speed of typing i mix up the characters, and so often when i read an earlier post like the day after i posted it i see all kinds of mistakes like writing 'mistake' instead of 'mistakes' when the last one was appropriate... |
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| Apr-18-06 | | euripides: By move 44 White's knights are looking like v. sadniks indeed. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | WhiteRook48: yikes! All those Knights there, you'd think it's Lehtinen- Sietio. |
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