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|May-20-07|| ||alshatranji: I considered the first three moves that were played, but I thought that 19...Bc6 would stop the White attack. I didn't see that the black bishop is pinned. How silly!|
|May-20-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <goodevans> Yes, after 0-0-0, and with earlier Rd6, it would have been pretty (and a different puzzle :-). But not before (due to the ugly game after 0-0).|
<sfm: But how about crude moves like 24.Rd3, Rd4 or Rf3?>
24. Rf3 Qxe5 25. Rc3+ Qxc3 26. bxc3 Be6 (and hiarcs insists it is a draw)
24. Rd4 Qxg2 25. Rc4+ Bc6 26. Rxc6+ Kd7 (+0.11 for white)
24. Rd3 Qxg2 25. Rc3+ Bc6 26. Rxc6+ Kd7 (same as above).
<psmith: Fritz 5.32 agrees with sfm> In your line, 24. ... Qxe5 was a bad response to Rd3. See one line above for better response.
<nateinstein: Actually castling queenside is probably better defensively than castling kingside.> Is not. See earlier comments.
|May-20-07|| ||bogo78: how about 27...Kc6 ?! maybe the black king is paradoxically out of danger out there. I haven't checked it yet thourougly and perhaps the answer is in a previous post already.|
|May-20-07|| ||soberknight: Great puzzle! The first two moves were easy to see, but I could never have guessed Ba6!! Actually, I had Black playing ...Be6 instead of castling, and then Qxb7 O-O. Shows how much I know. :)|
|May-20-07|| ||kevin86: Sometimes castling is no help. Once your king is exposed,castling is no different than being naked in the town square. Or,drssed in the "Emperor's New Clothes".|
|May-20-07|| ||simsan: I (my computer) struggle(s) to see the win for white if black had opted for the seemingly wild escape route ..Kc6 on either move 23 or move 25.|
23. .. Kc6 24. Rf3 Bc5 25. Rd6+ Bxd6 26. Qa6+ Kd5 26.c4+ Kxe5 28.Qa5+ Ke6 29. Qxg5 be5
white has the queen, rook and 5 pawns for black's 2 rooks, two bishops and two pawns.
.. but more importantly it seems that black has consolidated and might be able to mount a counterattack on the white king.
Disclaimer: I'm using a crap freeware engine :-)
|May-20-07|| ||psmith: <MostlyAverageJoe>
After 24. Rd4 Qxg2 25. Rc4+ Bc6 26. Rxc6+ Kd7, how about this:
27. e6+ Ke8 28. Qb5 Kf8 29. Rxf7+ Kg8 30. a3 Bf6 31. Rd6 and Fritz thinks White is winning. Any improvements or defenses?
|May-20-07|| ||psmith: In that last line, if 31...Ra8 32. Rb7|
|May-20-07|| ||blair45: I'm not as impressed with 17. Nxd5 as I am with 19. Ba6 and 26. Rd6. I never would have found those follow-ups over the board, yet they are forceful and logical. I want a chess imagination like Hazai's.|
|May-20-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <psmith> The entire line starting from where it differs from the game:|
22. ... Kb8 23. Qb6+ Kc8 24. Rd4 Qxg2 25. Rc4+ Bc6 26. Rxc6+ Kd7 27. e6+ Ke8 28. Qb5 Kf8 etc would be winning, but 28 ... f6 seems better than 28 ... Kf8
Furthemore, Hiarcs now thinks that 24. ... Qxg2 that I posted previously is not as good as 24. ... Bb5
So, summarizing again after 22. ... Kb8 23. Qb6+ Kc8, hiarcs tells me:
24. Rf3 Qxe5 25. Rc3+ Qxc3 26. bxc3 Be6 (draw)
24. Rd4 Bb5 (draw)
24. Rd3 Qxg2 25. Rc3+ Bc6 26. Rxc6+ Kd7 (+0.28, perhaps promising).
I'll let it run longer...
One thing is definite, that 22. ... Kb8 would not be a quick loss.
|May-20-07|| ||fm avari viraf: A nice tactical game. But it seems that Black missed the golden opportunity of bringing his King to b8 where White would either give perpetuals & draw the game or just continue with two pieces down. After the stunning move 26.Rd6! Black's fate is sealed.|
|May-20-07|| ||An Englishman: Good Morning: Here's another Hazai game that features some head-spinning play:|
L Hazai vs L Karsa, 1976
I don't know much about this fellow: perhaps he's a neglected version of Nezhmetdinov?
|May-20-07|| ||vibes43: < vibes43: What vision Hazai had to confidently make those sacs starting 13 moves ahead of the mate. Surly he had contingency plans for other defences like castling on the K side etc.>
Or Maybe Not. < MostlyAverageJoe: OK, after the aforementioned <18. ... O-O 19. Qxd7 Rad8>, Hiarcs evaluates the result as +1.35 for black > |
Maybe Hazai did his homework and had reason to believe Schmidt would respond as he did or maybe it was a gamble. But, in the end, it worked out for him.
|May-20-07|| ||Crowaholic: I found NxP PxN QxP after uselessly attempting to attack the black queen or sac'ing the f rook, and didn't find a good defense for Black, but O-O-O!? did not occur to me. Nice finish, anyway.|
|May-20-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <MostlyAverageJoe: OK, after the aforementioned <18. ... O-O 19. Qxd7 Rad8>, Hiarcs evaluates the result as +1.35 for black>|
Did I write that? OOPS. +1.35 for white. Conclusion (ugly puzzle) unchanged. Still, sorry for confusion.
MAJ over, out, and off in search of a wet noodle to administer 100 lashes with to self. Or mabye to self with.
And in search of a good grammar book, considering the previous sentence.
|May-20-07|| ||mmmsplay10: Wow!
|May-20-07|| ||vibes43: <MostlyAverageJoe: MAJ over, out, and off in search of a wet noodle to administer 100 lashes with to self. Or mabye to self with.>
As long as you're back to analyze the Monday puzzle lol. It's a great service I think we all appreciate and look forward to. |
|May-20-07|| ||RandomVisitor: After 17.Nxd5, a try for Black might be 17...Rc8. Now white has: |
1: Laszlo Hazai - Wlodzimierz Schmidt, Pula zt 1975
click for larger view
Analysis by Rybka 2.3.1 mp :
1. (1.02): 18.Bg6 hxg6 19.Nf6+ Kf8 20.Qxd7
2. (0.90): 18.Nxe7 Qxe7 19.Qxa7 Bc6 20.Rf4
3. (0.86): 18.h4 Bc5 19.Bg6 Bxd4 20.Bxf7+ Kd8 21.hxg5 Bxe5 22.Nb6 axb6 23.Bxe6 Rc7 24.Rf7 Rf8
4. (0.50): 18.Nc3 Bc5 19.Qe4 Bc6 20.Bb5 0-0 21.Bxc6 bxc6 22.h4 Qe7 23.Qf4 Rb8 24.Ne4 Ba3
Now, 18.Bg6 is not likely to be found in over the board play, so 17...Rc8 might be the best playable response to 17.Nxd5.
|May-21-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <RandomVisitor> Could you spare one of your CPUs to run Rybka on the position after this branch off the game?|
18. ... O-O 19. Qxd7 Rad8
Hiarcs consistently evaluates this about 0.3 or so better for the black than 17... Rc8
|May-21-07|| ||gBizzle: that was one of the grossest games ive ever seen
Nb8 is the most sickening move of all time
|May-21-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <gBizzle: that was one of the grossest games ive ever seen>|
I guesss you haven't seen this one: K Kanakari vs M Przezdziecka, 2006
|May-22-07|| ||Gilmoy: <realbrob [p.1 kibitz 19]: What if now Black plays 18..Be6 19.Bb5+> See [p.1 kibitz 11]: 18 .. Be6?? 19.Qxe6 fxe6 20.Bb5#. Or Black is down B+P for nothing.|
That was the point of White's 16.Rhf1 offering the g2 sac (and why Black declined it).
|May-22-07|| ||Gilmoy: <MAJ: I am not convinced by your analysis of 18 .. O-O, as Qxd7 is easily defended: 18. ... O-O 19. Qxd7 Rad8> Good idea, and probably how a Vulcan would continue. Some humanist considerations:|
1. Material. White's a pawn up. 20.Qf5 (forking Q and mate), trade Qs. 20 .. Q(h4,h6) 21.Rf3 etc. When safe, activate the K. Can Black triple under semi-weak e5 (and leave the f7-pawn at home, to deny e6) before White's K arrives in support? Meanwhile, White could double against f7. If f moves, e6 and the P's price goes up (as it would cost Black an R to get the B+P). White has the Q-side majority, and the e-blockade ties down one Black something. It looks like Black who has a long, weary fight to hold a draw.
2. Temperament. Maybe Black didn't like defending that kind of position.
3. Ego. O-O basically admits that White was right about all those sacs (i.e. that Nb8 was a blunder).
4. Ambition. If Black dreams of winning, he might demand that White prove it. O-O-O throws down the gauntlet. White's proof is pretty good -- either Black overlooked it, or he chose to go down fighting.
It might not add up to a clear win for White, but Black is only human :)
|Feb-08-09|| ||Chessical: With this wonderful mating attack game Hazai won the Best Game of the European (Men's) Zonal tournament; moreover his victim was the solid and usually well prepared Schmidt |
To add to the other continutaions listed: <18...Bc6?!> 19.Qxf7+ Kd7 20.Be4+ Kc7 (not 20...Kc8? 21.Bxc6 bxc6 22.Qe6+ Kc7 23.Rd7+) <21.Rf6!!> cutting off the vital link between Bishop and Queen
<29.Rb8+!> a joy to play no doubt! There was still time to play a move after which you would probably give up chess forever <29.Rbxd6?> Qxd6!
|Mar-11-09|| ||WhiteRook48: what a way to craze the two bishops!|
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