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Magnus Carlsen vs Atle Groenn
"Groenn in Agony" (game of the day Aug-02-2009)
Norwegian Championship (2005), Sandnes NOR, rd 9, Jul-09
Semi-Slav Defense: Anti-Moscow Gambit (D43)  ·  1-0


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Aug-02-09  Samagonka: I had to scroll down the comments to see if I had commented already since the game looks familiar. The mate is quite phenomenal, to say the least.
Aug-02-09  nevski: Groeen violated the most elementary rules of chess!He payed a price for it. Great game by M. Carlsen!
Aug-02-09  bengalcat47: He was obviously Groenning in agony after this defeat!
Aug-02-09  drnooo: I dont get all the talk about how brilliant the mate is. There was at least another after black queen takes the bishop, right starting with white withdrawing his bishop in discovery, one one move for black, then rook takes with check and mate. Not as pretty, but pretty fast. Also the knight sac is so forcing after that, that yep, it looks like a Morphy game, but then everybody always complains that Morphy was always never playing real masters except Andersen and a few others, so here too Carlsen is playing way under his class. He struts his real stuff in his famous game against Shirov early on, etc. Each to his own, for sure, but he is much much much more impressive against the super grandmasters.
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  kingfu: The game of the day should be based on something other than a stupid reference involving the loser's name. We should be more intelligent. Is Carlsen shaving, yet?
Aug-02-09  SirChrislov: I hate to see a game end so soon with black's rooks still immobilized, just sittin' far away in the corner like two dumb old elephants. What do you need your heavy artillery for if you're not going to use it?

Black's play in this game was just UGLY. He deserves a kick in the Groenn.

I'm sorry but not worthy of GOTD.

Aug-02-09  AnalyzeThis: This game is like Morphy vs. amatuer.
Aug-02-09  WhiteRook48: no this game is like Anderssen/Morphy/Steinitz vs amateur
Aug-02-09  Moondoll: After move 16, Black has exactly 2 pieces developed, with a handful of pawn moves, while White's entire camp is poised for attack!
Aug-02-09  Moondoll: <Chessmensch: I agree with <percyblakeney>. What was Groenn thinking with 16..b6?> Fritz11 agrees also giving b6 a ?? and indicates the more natural "0-0 'saving the game'" would have been more prudent.
Aug-02-09  alayo: I propose to name the final mating pattern: Carlsen's Mate! A combined effort between the rook at f7, the pawn at d4, the enemy bishop (only a bishop - any other piece would have defended the king) blocking the king at d6 and the queen (or bishop for that matter) delivering mate from c4.
Aug-02-09  ROO.BOOKAROO: And, further, what was Groenn thinking with 18. ...Qh5? Why not castle immediately, 18. ...0-0? Black would still have defensive potential, underdeveloped as he may still be.
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  kevin86: the mate is unusual. The queen mates as well as holds the rook.
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  Chessmensch: Thanks <Moondoll>. I can't get my Fritz to run on my new Vista Enterprise 64-bit. The vendor won't help. What are you running it on and do you have any suggestions?
Oct-01-09  hardliner: Manus was 14 when playing this game. A bit unfair to compare it with later games against the super GMs
Oct-10-09  pts92: I find the mating position extreamely beautiful. Carlsen's play as a kid looks like Morphy's at his prime. Maybe I exagerate a bit, but Carlsen seems a worthy succesor of the great Morphy.
Jan-29-10  ChessYouGood: Carlsen is a lot better than Morphy
Apr-10-10  funkymihir: hey guys do u think carlsen will be a world champ????? can he beat the best. of course he has been beating them but can he continue this trend???
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  HeMateMe: <Carlsen is a lot better than Morphy>

I agree, although such a statement might get you branded a heretic, around here. If you look at the competition Morphy faced, none are thought of as high level players except for Adolph Anderssen. Most are not even thought of as strong GMs, compared to today's players. Then, take a look at the murderers row Carlsen faced at the Tal Memorial, and at Linares.

May-30-10  funkymihir: WELL i think comparing modern grandmasters to morphy and capablanca is not correct as morphy did not have engines and 2nds to help them analyse so carlsen gets a lot better through thorough coaching
Oct-21-10  Naugh: That's probably the neatest mate with a queen I've ever seen.
Aug-24-11  sevenseaman: 22. Carlsen's maneuver here is very imaginative and concise. Bg4+ too looks a great move! A tad longer route.
Mar-27-13  prakashvsingh: suprb carlsen
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  yiotta: Carlsen has excellent chess vision. I can't think of anyone with as many unusual mates to their credit.
Dec-15-17  Artemio: Morphy work it out by himself;;;Carlsen have all the support in the world so its not correct to say that he is much much better than Bobby Fischer once said Morphy can beat them all if he has all the things that modern grandmasters have today,,,
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