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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
Dortmund Sparkassen 2005 (2005), Dortmund GER, rd 3, Jul-10
Indian Game: Anti-Nimzo-Indian (E10)  ·  1-0


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Jul-11-05  crumpy: The number 6 beat the number 3 in the world. Spectular
Jul-11-05  mack: Oh good, looks like Vlad's finally gotten over 1.e4. It's a bad habit to get into, you know.
Jul-11-05  mymt: some of the questions about this game are very similar to those asked in Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005 eg.-15.Qxe2? Topalov whats going on? [Vlads handling of the "finish" was even smoother than Ponos]
Jul-11-05  Kangaroo: Who cares about what Herr Fritz would "say"?

Psychologically, Topalov made the most serious error in his preparations to Kramnik by choosing the opening that would be entirely against his own style.

The Queen's Gambit like opening indicates that VT was trying to first equalize against VK and then ... if this THEN did come, but it did not.

Gruenfeld Defense against 1.d4 is known to be dangerous against VK. KID would probably be a better idea. Apparently, VT was underprepared to 1.d4 ...

This also is a good indication (for those who view Kramnik as a successor of Kasparov) that he did not try to overperform Kasparov with practicing both 1. e4 and 1. d4.

The game clearly shows weaknesses of Topalov and strength of Kramnik.

Jul-11-05  Ulhumbrus: Topalov may have resigned because after 41...Bc4 42 Ke4 he has no defence to the threat of Rb6+ and Kxe4
Jul-13-05  mymt: <Kangaroo> Bravo! I too would rather hear what you thought - "right or wrong"
Jul-13-05  Montreal1666: <Kangaroo:> <see Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005 for detailed comments by <dac1990> on May-17-05> I did and it says:

<(16...Bxf1 17.Rc7 (worse is 17.Kxf1 Rxa8 18.Bg5 h6 ) 17...Bd6 18.Rxa7=)>

The = sign at the end indicates that 16...Bxf1 was the drawing move. So I am not sure what you are saying <Kangaroo:>

Jul-13-05  Chess Addict: Why not 12...Nxd5 or 12...fxd5?
Jul-13-05  OneBadDog: <Kangaroo> The Gruenfeld has been taking a beating lately and Super GMs now seem to avoid playing it. I think that there are other, more active lives against the Catalan (4... dxc4) and I wonder why Toplalov didn't choose one of them.
Jul-15-05  ENERGY: OneBadDog what happened to your avatar??
Jul-15-05  OneBadDog: I had to put Old Yeller down. Actually, I haven't renewed my premium membership.
Jul-16-05  Kangaroo: <<To <Montreal1666>>: Thanks for the response. I suspected that <16...Bxf1> would be a more viable move, too.

However, Topalov chose a <<different move> TWICE> - perhaps he saw something that none of us had seen while analyzing his "error".

It is my pure (poor?) speculation only, but perhaps, Topalov relied upon the coordination of his forces, both with Ponomariov and Kramnik. Dynamics is more important to him than being the exchange behind.

Speaking of my other suggestion - choose Gruenfeld or KID - I still feel that Gruenfeld is now in crisis, which does not completely eliminate this opening: many aggressive grandmasters are still working on enhancements of the plans for Black. And the same remains true about the KID fans.

Topalov's psychological error in this game was that he went into the repetition of his unsuccessful experiment and lost again. He should not be blamed for that, yet no credit can be given for stubborn attitudes either.

Jul-16-05  Montreal1666: <Kangaroo:> Topalov's repeat of the same losing game is a bit strange. We will have to wait for some GM analysis.
Jul-16-05  Kangaroo: <Montreal1666>, you are right and I am glad that we have agreed.

Vesilin Topalov [VT] went on the same road twice, twice lost. Why did he not learn that <16...Bxf1> would be a better move after he had lost to Pomomariov? - Perhaps, we will see the third try by <VT> more successful.

Jul-24-05  LondonSystem: Don't know about you but I prefer Queen to Rook, Bishop and Pawn. Hence I think that Kh1 is stronger than Qxe2. But anyway, I can't criticize as Kramnik is by far a lot stronger than me and he won the game anyway.
Nov-09-05  alexandrovm: the combination at the begining of the game was in no way favor to Topalov, I think he miss calculated...and Kramnik won with fine precition...
Nov-09-05  alexandrovm: Acording to chessbase: <We have the exact position we saw a little less than two months ago in Ponomariov-Topalov at the Mtel Masters in Sofia. There Topalov had lost horribly after 19...Bc5 20.Bd2 f6 21.b4 Bf8 22.Ng4 Rd8 23.Rc8 Rd7 24.Nh6+ gxh6 25.Bxh6 Rf7 26.Rd8 Ne7 27.Rc7 Ng6 28.Rcc8 e5 29.f4 Bd7 30.Ra8 Bh3 31.Kf2 b5 32.Rdb8 exf4 33.gxf4 Bd7 34.h4 Bc6 35.h5 Bxa8 36.hxg6 hxg6 37.Rxa8 f5 38.Kg3 a6 39.Kh4 Rg7 40.Kg5 1-0. Astonishingly Topalov tries the same line against Vladimir Kramnik, and suffers a second defeat.>
Sep-17-06  MagnaPsygnosis: Even though basic, one of Topalov's gravest mistakes in this match is 4. ... Bb4+
5. ... Be5
This is a clear waste of tempo.
Not a good opening if u play against Kramnik.
Sep-17-06  suenteus po 147: This is also a rare game where the exchange sac for the bishop pair does not help Topalov. It will be interesting if this game is the shape of play to come in the match next week.
Sep-17-06  silenthinker: 12. nXd5!!! topalov is a solid player while kramnik is a risky one. kramnik is good in tactics. am i ryt?
Sep-17-06  aw1988: Actually, Kramnik is more solid and Topalov is more risky. They're both perfectly adept at tactics.
Oct-26-06  Chess Classics: <MagnaPsygnosis> I think the idea is to commit the white bishop to d2 rather than a square like f4 where it might be stronger. I'm sure 5...Be7 was prep, so I'll take Topalov's opinion over yours, no offence.


Nov-03-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <chess classics>
Non Taken yet
Your comment makes sense anyway
Mar-16-08  positionalgenius: Great game
Apr-10-08  freeman8201: This game has the same moves as the Ponomariov vs Topalov 2005; up to move 15 I believe. If I were black I would play Queen's Indian
b6; Bb7; c5
after white plays Nf3; g3; Bg2
Capablanca and vishy play QID and they were World champs!
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