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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
Dortmund Sparkassen 2005 (2005), Dortmund GER, rd 3, Jul-10
Indian Game: Anti-Nimzo-Indian (E10)  ·  1-0


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Jul-10-05  OneArmedScissor: First... Argh!!! Topalov... what's the deal?!?!
Jul-10-05  Hesam7: Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005

It seems that the new 19 ... Ba6 did not help Topalov.

Jul-10-05  Montreal1666: As I said in Topalov's page this mornning, Toplaov has played the same as:

Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005

And it is somehow ironic since lost that game too!

I would like to know why he has not played 16)...BxRf1 in any of these two games?

Jul-10-05  Strategic Joker: Montreal , im not sure but i think it is because of Bxf1 , Kxf1 , Rxa8 , Rc7 regaining the pawn with an active rook .
Jul-10-05  Kangaroo: If <16 ... Bxf1> -- then <17. Rc7 Bd6 18. Rxa7> - see Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005 for detailed comments by <dac1990> on May-17-05
Jul-10-05  Montreal1666: Thanks. I will have a look there.
Jul-10-05  Kangaroo: To <Montreal1666>: You are welcome! I just referred you to the game that you had found yourself.

Besides, the previous game,

Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005

was played recently, so we all still remember how Topalov could lose!

Jul-10-05  cade: Can someone explain to me why Kramnik played 15.Qxe2? I don't see the need to give the Queen back like that.
Jul-10-05  Badmojo: Looked like a rather easy one, uh?
Jul-10-05  Knight13: Kramnik's first win of this tournament. Good. He beat Topalov.... In a nice way.
Jul-10-05  Koster: Can't believe a player rated 2788 actually played Rxa8, dead lost ending. To play into that ending twice is just insane. No wonder computers are winning every match. They keep improving while the top players don't look as good now as in the 80s without their inflated ratings.
Jul-10-05  Koster: Qe2 might not be forced, but if Kh1 instead black plays Nd5 with R, B, and P for the Q and and a rock solid position after he picks off the exchange, which white can't avoid. White has some problems on the long diagonal after Bb7 and the queen is a poor defender.
Jul-11-05  IDestroyChess: If 15.Kh1?, then 15...Nxd5 16.Qa4 [only move, 16,Re1? Ndxf4 17.gxf4 Rfd8 18.Qa4 Bb7+ ] 16...Bb7 17.Qd7 Rab8 ] with rook, bishop, pawn, strong h1-a8 diagonal and initiative for queen.

Black had to play 16...Bxf1

17.Rxc7 Bc5!? (with the idea 18.Rxa7 b5 with counterplay). it's , but better than that stupid endgame without rook

Jul-11-05  Boomie: Herr Fritz doesn't like 8...b6 0.29/13, preferring dxc4 -0.29/13. However the natural looking 9. ♘c3 0.08/13 loses this advantage to 9...dxc4. 9. ♘bd2 0.21/13 works better here. 9...♗a6 0.34/13 hands it back. 12...♕xd5 0.65/12 is a little inferior to 12...♘xd5 0.46/12.

15. ♕xe2 0.25/13 is better than 15. ♔h1 -0.08/13 and demonstrates just how much better these players are than wood pushers like us ;->. This line might continue:

15. ♔h1 ♘xd5 16. ♕a4 ♗b7 17. ♕d7 ♖ab8 18. f3 ♘xc1 19. ♖xc1 ♖fd8 20. ♕a4 ♗c5 -0-06/13

16...♗xf1 0.27/13 is indeed better than 16...♖xa8 0.42/14 as others have pointed out.

19. ♗d2 0.14/13 is both obvious and better than 19. ♖ec1 -0.16/14. Funny how often the obvious is also the best. For example, 19...♗c5 -0.16/13, a move even I would play, is better than the strange 19...♗a6 0.21/13.

23...h5 0.60/13 makes no sense to me or Uncle Fritz. Did he want to prevent ♘g4? If so, why? 23...♘xe3 0.29/15 or 23...♗d6 0.30/15 were better.

35...a4 0.80/14 puts up more resistance than the premature push 35...e5 1.21/14.

To demonstrate Caissa's perverse sense of humor, 37...a4 1.66/15 is now a losing move. Either 37...♗c6 1.23/15 or 37...g6 1.21/15 have some chance of survival.

Jul-11-05  stinky2: This line looks horrible for Black.
Jul-11-05  csmath: <<Herr Fritz doesn't like 8...b6 0.29/13, preferring dxc4 -0.29/13.>> Practice shows that 8. ... dxc4 is no good either.

However It seems that the bigger problem is the choice of exchange sacrifice for a pawn. More patient player than Topalov would probably opt for a loss of a pawn on a7. It seems that active bishop pair offers some compensation though it won't be easy either. White would clearly create passer at some point and black would need to find some active game to save. It also looks like a tough ending to play.

More importantly this whole opening for black is a suspect and once he played it with Ponomariov one would have expected Topalov has done some deep analysis himself. But it seems he didn't.

Jul-11-05  euripides: Kramnik's neat maneouvres from move 19-25 leave Topalov clearlt worse, removing the excellent knight on d5 and reducing the activity of the black-squared bishop. 35...e5 maymake it easier for white, as the e5 pawn is a target in the final position.
Jul-11-05  crumpy: The number 6 beat the number 3 in the world. Spectular
Jul-11-05  mack: Oh good, looks like Vlad's finally gotten over 1.e4. It's a bad habit to get into, you know.
Jul-11-05  mymt: some of the questions about this game are very similar to those asked in Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005 eg.-15.Qxe2? Topalov whats going on? [Vlads handling of the "finish" was even smoother than Ponos]
Jul-11-05  Kangaroo: Who cares about what Herr Fritz would "say"?

Psychologically, Topalov made the most serious error in his preparations to Kramnik by choosing the opening that would be entirely against his own style.

The Queen's Gambit like opening indicates that VT was trying to first equalize against VK and then ... if this THEN did come, but it did not.

Gruenfeld Defense against 1.d4 is known to be dangerous against VK. KID would probably be a better idea. Apparently, VT was underprepared to 1.d4 ...

This also is a good indication (for those who view Kramnik as a successor of Kasparov) that he did not try to overperform Kasparov with practicing both 1. e4 and 1. d4.

The game clearly shows weaknesses of Topalov and strength of Kramnik.

Jul-11-05  Ulhumbrus: Topalov may have resigned because after 41...Bc4 42 Ke4 he has no defence to the threat of Rb6+ and Kxe4
Jul-13-05  mymt: <Kangaroo> Bravo! I too would rather hear what you thought - "right or wrong"
Jul-13-05  Montreal1666: <Kangaroo:> <see Ponomariov vs Topalov, 2005 for detailed comments by <dac1990> on May-17-05> I did and it says:

<(16...Bxf1 17.Rc7 (worse is 17.Kxf1 Rxa8 18.Bg5 h6 ) 17...Bd6 18.Rxa7=)>

The = sign at the end indicates that 16...Bxf1 was the drawing move. So I am not sure what you are saying <Kangaroo:>

Jul-13-05  Chess Addict: Why not 12...Nxd5 or 12...fxd5?
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