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Andrei Kharlov vs Michal Krasenkow
Piatka op (1997), Swidnica POL
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange Variation. Nadanian Attack (D85)  ·  0-1
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Nov-14-12  Bengambit: 25...Bec8 counterattacking the Queen that is pinned to the a6 square,because 26.Qa3?? leaves 26...Re4+ winning the Queen,but I am also looking at black's Queen's post on c5 preventing white's chance to castle, but white's bishop pair and rook will give black's Queen a run for her money. But I believe in the long run, I see a draw. I am doing an chess exercise on these guess the move games,to train my chess sense to see if my guess is right. I won't look at anything else,not even the answers or everybody else's answers until I solve or come close to the answer. Lately in my chess games,i've created a very bad habit of moving without thinking,and it hurts to lose that way to anybody,but my opponets laugh at me when I make that mistake and it burn's deep in my soul when they do that,and come to find out that after I replay the game,i had the game won!!! All I had to do was look,so now I am working on the tactic called "pieces pinned to the squares" which has helped my game a little more,so now I am off to see if I guessed the right move for today's game.
Nov-14-12  Bengambit: BINGO!!!!!
Nov-14-12  James D Flynn: Black is a piece down. He is also faced with the threat to his R on b4 and the threat of 26.Nxe6 fxe6 27.Qxe6+ and the black K is forced to h8 and after 28.Rf1 White dominates the centre. My first thoughts focused on 25……Qxe5+ 26.Ne2 Qa1+ but after 27.Kf2 Qxh1 the R on b4 falls. The Q on a6 didn’t appear to play much of a part in the game., only after the Qxe5+ seemed to lead nowhere did I notice the Q could be attacked by Rb6 and Bc8 and had few escape squares. As soon as I saw Bc8 I realized that was the answer: if 26.Qa3 Re4+ wins the Q for a R. If 26.Bxb4 Qxb4+ and the White Q falls. All squares other than a3 are covered by Black pieces or pawns. Counter attacks on the Black Q do nothing useful eg.26.Ne6 fxe6 or Be3 Qxe3+.
Nov-14-12
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  camenes: When the puzzle of the day seems a bit complicated to me (as this one), I use to first try to solve it in my mind and then play the position against Houdini before looking at the solution, as a way of training for OTB play.

Oftentimes Houdini comes up with an unexpected move. An this was one of such times. The “game” went 26...Bc8 27.Qxc8+ Qxc8. So far, so good (I had also analysed 27.Qa3 Re4+ and 27.Bxb4 Qxb4+), but now Houdini played 28.Nd5 threatening 29.Nxe7+/30.Nxc8 and 29.Nxb4 and I got stumped, considering that 28...Rb7 would be answered with 29.Ba6 ... and I hate to recognize that I gave up.

To soon, once more (it happens to me frequently in my OTB games), because Black has at least two resources: 29...Qc6 30.Bxb7 Qxb7 (queen for rook+knight), and 29...Qc2 30.Bxb7 Qb1+ 31.Ke2 Qxh1. Rather easy to find, but ...

It must be some kind of psychological barrier when after a hard thought (it took me 5-6 minutes to select and analyse my first move) I’m confronted with the unexpected. Do you experience something of the sort? Any advice?

Nov-14-12
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  Willber G: <Ratt Boy: I think this one is fairly tough for a Thursday>

Even tougher for a Wednesday!
(Although I got this one more quickly than yesterday's.)

Nov-14-12
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  whiteshark: <25...Bc8> traps/wins the white queen for rook+minor piece. Enough for me.
Nov-14-12
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  notyetagm: Game Collection: TRAPPED PIECES! TRAPPED PIECES! TRAPPED PIECES!

Kharlov vs Krasenkow, 1997 25 ... Be6-c8! and the White a6-queen has NO RETREAT!

Nov-14-12  scormus: 25 ... Bc8 is clearly the move, but needed a bit of time to decide on the follow up. I was slightly surprised at 26 0-1

After 26 Bxc8 we see an example of B "winning" the WQ but being nominally behind in material, (counter)but the W pieces are in such disarray B has no trouble in realising his advantage.

Nov-14-12
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  kevin86: The queen is trapped...and she has no place to go.

If 26 ♕a3 ♖e4+ and 27...♕xa3

Nov-14-12  BOSTER: <Rat Boy> <When I was learnig chess, I read that it's <a good idea> to castle in the opening>.

This is not always a <good idea > to castle early because by this move you open your <cards>.

But if the centre is opened (no pawns), castle is the best way to play game. In the closed pos. many games have no castle.

Nov-14-12
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  gawain: Wednesdays are a good time to reorient from mating attack to win of material. I had to set this position aside for a few hours and return to it before I could find the solution. 25...Bc8 attacking the Q. White must retreat the queen 26 Qa3 but Black wins her with a discovered attack 26...Re4+. Nice.
Nov-14-12  Bengambit: First,i would like to thank notyetagm for showing this tactic called,"Pins against squares" and I am doing an in depth study on this,because in many of my games, I see a lot of positions with this type of tactic but didn't have the solution to find a way out of it,plus in trying to find a way out I lose tempo,time(and money) on a lot of my games. Now I can practice and strenghten my game with this tactic. And again notyetagm,thank you,but if you have anything else,please let me know.
Nov-14-12  pogotheclown: I missed it today because the only move I considered was Rxf4 and I got stuck trying to make it work.

Having looked at the game I really don't think much of 5.Na4 and I'm equally umimpressed with black's choice of 6..Nb6.

Nov-14-12
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  chrisowen: Blinding cheapo every golden dream it I gate in bishop backward

after a6 in could sign post it takes check to the king queen a

fashion hark Qxc8+ black in ascend queen rook bishop in against

double bishop odds called knight rook, all equalitry staving off

five pawns each wishing in well it simply one xray it know problem

for kackhander advantage MK... Also nada free being cherubim qua3 ko

daffy duck queen affable rooke4 bold check and again bishops take

expedient rook despatch in acer c5 grandeur i pride ala queen jar

a3, in clubbing free pawns having a2 i jostle e6 be paper

underwritten insurance ps in focal 25...Rxf4 loss you indent bishop

doesnt get victory it douche in bag c4 b5 a4 all book queen in

escaped wretched one for 25...bc8 heisting it of in.

Nov-14-12  stst: Long winding variations.
Try two and see...
Both starts with
25......QxP+
(A)26.Kf1 or Kf2 RxN+
27.BxR QxB+
28.Ke1 Bc3+
29.Ke2 Qd2+
30.Kf3 Bd5+
31.Kg4 h5+
32.Kg3 Be5+
33.Kh4 Qf4#
(B)26.Kd1 Qa1+
27.Bc1 RxN
28.g3 Rf2
29.Ke1 Bd4
30.Rf1 Qxc1#

There're other lines, and though Black is prevailing, the game may wind for long...

Nov-14-12  stst: Have a moment's flash of trapping the Q, and yes, it's that thought got lapsed...(somehow felt not quite promising... but just getting too tired to continue...===> forgot the motto: Hard to get the K? Then try getting the Q!!)
Nov-14-12
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  thethingplays: what if for white (25) BXF4 rather than the move played
Nov-14-12
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  Jambow: I was so fofused on gettiong material back I missed the queen trap!
Nov-14-12  Ratt Boy: <Abdel Irada>: <Ratt Boy>: Krasenkow won.

Um, yeah. D'oh. I realized that when I went back and looked at the game. Kharlov's the one who chose to ignore those raaaaather basic principles and thereby paid.

Nov-14-12  Alex56171: <lcodrutlucian> Noting is wrong with 23.Qxa7. Rather, it is a (0.53) move, according to Fritz 6.
Nov-14-12  M.Hassan: "Medium/Easy"
Black to play 25....?
Black is down by a Knight

Confession: I just did not see 25...Bc8!

Nov-14-12  TheoNov: < thethingplays: what if for white (25) BXF4 rather than the move played >

Then Black has a slight advantage, but it looks drawish. Can anyone demonstrate a win after 25.Bxf4 ? I would be surprised.

Nov-14-12  ChessYouGood: Chess is and was cruel, both before and after Elvis said "don't be cruel" ,which reminds me of the worst game ever played: Elvis Presley v Roy Orbison. 1/2 1/2. I suppose the white queen here is our mystery girl. Time to eat a biscuit.
Nov-14-12
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  Abdel Irada: <Ratt Boy>: One other factor to consider: I don't play the white side of the Grünfeld, so am not up on some of the more arcane variations (such as the Nadanian Attack), but I strongly suspect the knight maneuver and early queen sortie are part of the opening. Thus, the knight and later the queen on a4 impress me as likely to be part, for better or worse, of a book line.

The line didn't work out in this game, but I'd hesitate to condemn it on principle. As we know, principles in chess openings are general guidelines, and we see them "violated" with impunity all the time. And in broad terms, almost any formation *can* be playable, as long as it's self-consistent, founded in a rational idea pertaining to the overall pattern of a given opening, and doesn't disregard what the opponent is doing.

That said, the reputation of many openings is in a state of constant flux, and a game like this may well send White back to the drawing board in search of improvements to rehabilitate the line. (On the other hand, it may be analyzed and dismissed as an anomaly that says nothing about the opening in general.)

Nov-15-12
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  notyetagm: <Bengambit: First,i would like to thank notyetagm for showing this tactic called,"Pins against squares" and I am doing an in depth study on this,because in many of my games, I see a lot of positions with this type of tactic but didn't have the solution to find a way out of it,plus in trying to find a way out I lose tempo,time(and money) on a lot of my games. Now I can practice and strenghten my game with this tactic. And again notyetagm,thank you,but if you have anything else,please let me know.>

My game collections is kinda big. :-)

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