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| offramp: 35.Qe8 wins; if 35...Kg8 then 36.Ra3 is the kibosh. |
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| Aug-13-05 |
| Prisoner of Zelda: black has to keep his Bishop on the long diagonal to survive; white will put his Queen on the E file, attacking the bishop whereever it lands while also attacking the Knight. This allows R x N, white wins the piece. After that, White can easily force the exchange of another pair of rooks and clean up, especilly with the pawns lurking on a6 and f5. But black should play our a few moves, make sure white finds the combo. No one ever won a game by resigning. |
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Aug-13-05
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| kevin86: A very bizarre game;pieces are flying from all directions and material seems to be immaterial. White always seems to be the aggressor-and in this case,somehow seems to carry the day-despite having only a queen for two minor pieces and a rook! |
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Aug-13-05
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| lostemperor: The $64,000 question. Why did black lost this game? Well I would not know if I haven't seen this game being played live in the tournament hall in the last round of the Amsterdam tournament. It was a heartbreaking timetrouble struggle. The game lasted several moves more. Zhu chen seems to get the better of it. But her time was less than a minute at some point. I was thinking to myself: Move it (Zhu Chen)! At the end I remembered she lost one rook on h4 due to a queenfork. It is a pleasant surprise for me chessgames.com chose this game as game of the day! Well done chessgames! It was unprofesional of the tournament arbiters not to record the lost moves or even have it reconstructed afterwards by the players. This was about the last board who were still playing so there were arbiters watching. I almost wanted to urge them to record the last moves. Halay seems like a comet. He is only a Fide-master who have yet to become 18 this year. But he isn't even best. Megaranto who has the same age scored on point more. I believe he is already GM. Indonesia, where chess is a popular game, has some new promising players on the horizon. One interesting detail I will not withhold you. After the game Zhu Chen and her husband (I think) stood outside. They both lost and were staring in the distance for minutes without saying even one word to each other. Like being hypnotised to cope with the pain of the loss undoubtely. Chess can be cruel sometimes. |
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| Aug-13-05 |
| offramp: Thanks for clearing that up. It is great to hear real live reports! |
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| Aug-13-05 |
| syefah: Yes, Megaranto is a GM. Halay was better than Megaranto, but the latter is better now. Both are students of GM Utut Adianto. |
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| Aug-13-05 |
| dzanone: Ouch, she really took it on the chen at the end. |
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| Aug-13-05 |
| I Pawn You: Prisoner of Zelda: "No one ever won a game by resigning."
WRONG.
Alright, alright. That's true. |
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Aug-14-05
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| patzer2: This is an interesting game, but without the missing moves, it's hard to figure how White won or where Black went wrong. In the final position, after 64...Bf6  , Black holds a clear advantage. So she must have lost it somewhere in the time scramble and unrecorded moves described by <lostemperor> above. Earlier, White missed wins with the possibilities: 35. Qe8! Kg7 36. Ra3  ; 37. Qxb7! Bf4 38. g3 Be5 39. Qxa7 ; and 42. Qe2! Re5 43. Qc4+ Kf8 44. Rxb7 f5 45. g3 Re4 46. Qc2 Rc8 47. Qd1 a5 48. Rb5 Rd4 49. Qf3 Rdc4 50. Rxa5 Bxb2 51. Ra8 . After white missed his early opportunities, Black missed a win with 61...Ne7! 62. Qe4 Nxf5  . |
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| Aug-14-05 |
| Helios727: No one ever drew a game by resigning either. |
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| Aug-14-05 |
| SEMENELIN: zu chen's defensive maneuvers were predictable as if halay just bluffed her all the way! I disagree with her response to 15.Bxg6 hxg6 and 22. Bd2 f6. Halay's move in 26 is superb he uses the advantage in checking the king
and consuming some time for Zhu to be confused. Halay won this game by time pressure an excellent strategy! Examining the pieces zhu had the chance to win. Excellent and Exciting game althrough out. |
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| Aug-14-05 |
| Helios727: If Chen is the women's world champion, does that mean Polgar did not compete? |
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Aug-14-05
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| percyblakeney: Stefanova is the women's World Champion since 2004, Zhu Chen won the final against Kosteniuk in 2001, and there have been no Polgars in these tournaments. |
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Aug-14-05
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| patzer2: Judit Polgar, as far as I know, refuses to play in women's only tournaments. However, she is clearly the strongest woman Chess player in the world. |
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| Aug-14-05 |
| shortsight: But in Fide World Championships, anything can happen. As an example, Kasim did beat Adam and Topalov. She is the strongest, but maybe afraid to lose to some other strong female players. |
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Aug-14-05
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| patzer2: Somehow I don't think someone willing to play regularly against the top ten players in the world on a consistent basis is afraid of any competition. I suspect for Judit, she simply wants to play those on her level (2700+ rating and top ten in the world) and that her goal is a bit higher than women's world champion. |
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| Aug-15-05 |
| Helios727: Another advantage against playing only top players is that your rating does not take a plunge every time you suffer an upset from a minor master. |
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Aug-16-05
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| lostemperor: Question: is the man worldchampion stronger than the women worldchampion? Coincedently Zhu Chen once proved not. She, the 2001 women worldchampion beat Ponomariov the 2001 men worldchampion 1 1/2 -1/2 in a rapid mini match! This is said as the first win of a woman against a reigning man worldchampion. She was the Fide women worldchampion and Ponomariov was reigning Fide worldchamp 2743 (beating Ivanchuk) and second in Linares after Kasparov but ahead of other topguns. Impressive isn't it?! |
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| Aug-16-05 |
| aw1988: It's a controversial question. My view is that men are somewhat stronger, but this is only looking at the rankings... there are of course very good women players. It's just that you don't see many of them, and many of the top rankings are occupied by men. Of course, men and women can have equal ability. There aren't that many man vs woman games in any case. |
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| Aug-16-05 |
| dhotts: Move 56. h6 seems to be a critical advance that I can only calculate to be a draw with 56...Bxh6 or even 56...Nxh6. For example, 56...Bxh6 57.Rxh6+ Nxh6 58.Qg6+ Kh8 59.Qxh6+ Kg8 60.anything R7f7. What am I missing? |
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Aug-16-05
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| patzer2: <lostemperor> <Is the man world champion stronger than the woman world champion?> Perhaps it is better to ask is the world champion stronger than the women's world champion? Based on ratings, to determine relative player strength in classical Chess, the answer for me is an unequivocal yes. For example look at the results of tournaments like Linaires, 2005, as reported at http://www.chessbase.com/eventartic..., where 2678 rated Kasimdzhanov and 2686 rated Valejo Pons were clearly inferior in their results to those rated over 2700. Anyone rated below 2550, including the current women's world champion doesn't stand much of a chance in a long classical match against this level of competition. Judit Polgar, on the other hand, is a whole different situation, and is a serious contender for the World Championship. |
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| Aug-16-05 |
| dhotts: Move 56. h6 seems to be a critical advance that I can only calculate to be a draw with 56...Bxh6 or even 56...Nxh6. For example, 56...Bxh6 57.Rxh6+ Nxh6 58.Qg6+ Kh8 59.Qxh6+ Kg8 60.anything R7f7. What am I missing? |
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Aug-17-05
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| lostemperor: <aw1988> it is not so controversial to say men play stronger chess than women. Many others have said so and yes <patzer2> I would have said so myself if it were not for Judit Polgar. Now last toptournament in Dortmund show the two lowest rated Naiditsch and Van Wely finished first and shared second! http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.... Perhaps the question should be is Judit Polgar an exception or is she fortunate to have lived in a chess environment (her family) where she can excel in chess and many other women can too if they were given the same opportunity or having as much interest in chess as men. I am more and more inclined to think the latter (frankly I don't believe in exceptions) and Judit is not an exception but there are perhaps too few examples to be sure. |
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Aug-17-05
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| patzer2: <lostemperor> With the emergence of so many women GMs and the Polgar sisters, I'm not given to making any weak generalizations about men playing better than women. My point is simply that the current women's world champion is not a match for the 2700 plus rated players (including a woman--Judit Polgar) who are competitive for the world chess champion title. |
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| percyblakeney: <women and world champions> What soon might happen is that a woman for the first time may be rated higher than the classical World Champion, at the moment 9 ELO points separate Kramnik and Polgar. |
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