|Jul-26-05|| ||Montreal1666: 13..)h6 is the first new move in this database. There are four other games that go till 13)b5 and none resulted in a loss for black.|
13)...h6 is the move that creates the e6 pawn. If it was me I would have concentrated on winning that pawn rather than playing 15)...Qa5.
I think in the last two days Nakamura pushed for a win and it backfired. With two draws he would been on a shared lead now.
|Jul-26-05|| ||Robin01: I was looking at 15. ... Ne8 instead of 15. ... Qa5 during the game. What do you think?|
|Jul-26-05|| ||TruthHurts: <I think in the last two days Nakamura pushed for a win and it backfired. With two draws he would been on a shared lead now.>|
LOl he just had been outplayed(time pressure was not sufficient like yesterday against bauer this time). He saved many losses thanks to the time, I think he would better go back on ICC, he's better at blitz lol.
|Jul-26-05|| ||Montreal1666: <Robin01:> It seems very difficult to
get rid of e6. 15)...Ne8 might be better than Qa5. But I think the bad move was 13)...h6. Black should prepare for dealing with the e6 pawn before its creation!|
|Jul-26-05|| ||Robin01: It seems like 15. ...Ne8 is a good start to winning the e6 pawn. I have not analyzed it, however, it looks like black has a good chance of winning the e6 pawn and thus ending up a pawn plus.|
|Jul-26-05|| ||Montreal1666: <Robin01:> Ok. We will have to wait for some serious analysis.|
|Jul-26-05|| ||Brown: Or maybe give it a shot... why not?|
|Jul-26-05|| ||Robin001: It looks like 13)...h6 was not too good of a move. Black should have played 13)...cxb5, then after 14)cxb5, 14)...h6 would have been good. Then after the e6 pawn is presented, Black gets White's e4 pawn removed, he can get in d5 without having to worry about White's pawn on c4.|
|Jul-26-05|| ||TruthHurts: You guys trying to look the bad mooves of Nakamura rather than the good ones of Pelletier, are ridiculous. When Nakamura wins do you try to find his opponent's bad moove or do you claim that Nakamura played well...? Pelletier just outplayed this poor boy, there's no point in trying to find Nakamura excuses or if you try, try to find excuses when he wins for his opponents also:
For example against Bauer he won because he was ahead on time largely while he was in a bad position.
Against Volokitin he saved the draw because he was ahead on time largely while he was in a worse position.
And so on...|
|Jul-26-05|| ||euripides: 13...h6 is not quite new (using the chessbase database), but unusual at this level. In some games (with or without 13...cb) White has played Ba3 and queens have been exchanged. 15...Qa5 aims for more dynamic play but runs into the exchange sacrifice 20 Rxe5 ! which looks tremendous. |
15...Ne8, as suggested above, seems to merit further exploration.
Black is short of a tempo on move 18 e.g. the idea of playing c5 and Nd4 is attractive but hard to achieve; 18...c5 19 Qxd6 or 18...Nf5 19 c5 with Rxe5 to follow.
|Jul-27-05|| ||Brown: 9...a5 is Smirin usual response to the Bayonet Attack KID, and his record against it is much better than most.|
|Jul-27-05|| ||patzer2: Pelletier's 18. Rxe4!? prepare a fascinating and strong positional exchange sacrifice with 20. Rxe4!|
Here's some analysis with Fritz 8:
<18. Rxe4!> This move entices Nakamura into going for the exchange sacrifice, which my computer also gives as the best option. <18...d5 19. cxd5! cxd5 20. Rxe5! Bxe5> However, I wonder if Black would have been better off declining the sacrifice. After 20... Qxb5! 21. Re2 Bxb2 22. Rb1 Qc6 23. Rbxb2 Rac8 24. Re1 Rf6 25. Qd2 Rxe6
26. Rxe6 Qxe6 27. Rxb7 Rc2 28. Qd1 Qc6 =, Fritz 8 has it dead even (0.00 @ 14/51 depth & 1282kN/s). <21. Bxe5 Qxb5 22. Rb1 Qc6 23. Ba1
Rf4 24. g3! Rc4> Fritz 8 recommends 24... Ra4 instead, but after 25. Qe2 Qc7 26. Qd2 Kh7 27. Bxd5 Rd8 28. Rc1 Nc6 29. Bf6 Qd6 30. Bxd8 Qxd8 31. Rb1 b6 32. Qc2 Qxd5 33. Qxa4 White is still winning. <25. Qd2 Qc5 26.
Bf6 g5> Not much help for Black is 26... Rf8 27. Bxe7 Qxe7 28. Bxd5 Rd8 29. Qd3 Rxd5
30. Qxd5 Rc7 31. Rd1 Qe8 32. g4 Re7 33. f4 Qf8 (33... Rxe6 34. f5 gxf5 35. gxf5
) 34. Qe5 Qg7 35. Rd8+ Kh7 36. Rd5 Qxe5 37. Rxe5 Kg7 38. h4 Re8 39. Kf2 Kf6
40. h5 g5 41. Rf5+ Kxe6 42. fxg5 hxg5 43. Rxg5 Kf6 44. Rd5 b6 45. Kg3 Re1 46.
g5+ Ke6 47. h6 Kxd5 48. h7 Rh1 49. g6 Ke6 50. g7 ; Also no fun for Black is 26... Nf5 27. Bxd5 Rd4 28. Bxd4 Qxd5 29. Bc3 Qxe6 30. Rxb7 Qc6 31. Qb2 . <27. Rxb7 Rc1+ 28. Kg2 Qc4 29. Qe2 Qxe2 30. Bxe2 Nf5 31. Bg4 1-0>
Looking at this combination, I have to agree with <TruthHurts> that Nakamura just got caught in a deep and profound combination by his opponent. Nakamura defended well (finding Fritz 8's best moves for the most part), but once his opponent had a winning advantage he pressed the attack with precision and accuracy. Congratulations to GM Pelletier on a well played game!
|Jul-27-05|| ||DP12: This game essentially reaches-Shirov Radjabov Linares 2004 with the difference that Shirov play Bb2 instead of b5 the difference is that we have the same position with Hikaru a tempo up and his queen on a5 instead of b5. There Radjabov also plays 13...h6 Ne6 Be6 so I doubt it is a mistake. My guess is that his mistake was Qa5?! and Qxb5 which sort of allows his opponent to coordinate really well with Ba1 but it is quite complicated. Just know that Pelletier's play is not as original as it looks and that Hikaru was well aware of what was going on and must of thought he could defend the position as well as the analgous one after 13.Bb2. From my perspective it is not easy at all!|
|Jul-27-05|| ||DP12: Also <Patzer2> Another idea after the immediate Qxb5 is the simple Rb1. Then what does Fritz say?|
|Jul-27-05|| ||patzer2: Interesting idea! After 20...Qxb5!? and your suggestion of 21. Rb1!, Black appears to be busted. Fritz 8 initially gives it as only equal, but playing it out move-by-move, @ 12 depth or higher with Fritz 8, results in a White win after 20...Qxb5!? 21. Rb1! Bxe5 22. Bxe5 Qa6 23. Bc3 Rf4 24. g3 Rc8 25. gxf4 Rxc3 26. f5! Rd3 27. Qe2 gxf5 28. Kh1 Qc4 29. Qe5 Qc3 30. Rg1+ Kh7 31. Rg7+ Kh8 32. Qxc3 Rxc3 33. Rxe7 Rxf3 34. Rxb7 Rxf2 35. e7 (+3.31 @ 14 depth & 1401kN/s). |
Maybe Black can improve here, but I don't see how. So my suggestion of declining the sacrifice with 20...Qxb5!? is apparently not a saving resource for Black.
You are right in stating that this line is not at all easy. With computers and super GMs missing subtle winning possibilities, it's a very difficult game to analyze.
|Jul-27-05|| ||patzer2: Here's the link to Shirov vs Radjabov, 2004, referred to by <DP12>.|
With the similarities, it would appear (as DP12 suggests) that this game was somewhat of a theoretical battle, with Nakamura trying to improve on Radjabov's play in that game.
Got to give Nakamura credit for playing into such a dangerous line. Such a brave fighting spirit certainly makes for fascinating and interesting Chess games. As his ability to spring novelties improves, I'm hopeful we'll see more tournament wins from Nakamura in the future.
|Jul-27-05|| ||DP12: <patzer2> the idea is not so subtle, because the line you have analyzed is the same as what happens in the game because the idea of Rb1 is simply to transpose to the game! probably the mistake was to play Qa5. I checked the informator notes to the analagous Shirov-Radjabov game, and taking the b-pawn immediately would also have been really bad for Radjabov, but he sensed the danger and played ... Kh7!? which probably holds out with perfect defense. However, Radjabov was unable to sustain the pressure and lost. The line is fascinating to work on. Can anyone see offhand why instead of Qa5 black did not play f:e4 N:e4 N:e4 Be4 d5 immediately ?|
|Jul-27-05|| ||Robin001: <Can anyone see offhand why instead of Qa5 black did not play f:e4 N:e4 N:e4 Be4 d5 immediately?> Would this line for black have been even better had he exchanged cxb5 first, getting rid of white's c4 pawn?|
|Jul-27-05|| ||Robin001: Also, what is wrong with instead of Qa5 just playing Ne8 with ideas of bringing it to c7?|
|Jul-28-05|| ||patzer2: <Can anyone see offhand why instead of Qa5 black did not play f:e4 N:e4 N:e4 Be4 d5 immediately?> After 15... fxe4 16. Nxe4 Nxe4 17. Bxe4 d5 18. cxd5 cxd5 19. Ba3 dxe4 20. Qxd8 Rfxd8 21. Bxe7 Re8 22. Bb4
Rxe6 23. Rxe4 =, Fritz 8 has it simplifying to a drawish middle game. Perhaps Nakamura wanted to complicate and keep Queens on the board instead for winning chances.|
|Jul-28-05|| ||patzer2: <Would this line for black have been even better had he exchanged cxb5 first, getting rid of white's c4 pawn?> Maybe so. After 15... cxb5 16. Nxb5 fxe4 17. Bxe4 Nxe4 18. Rxe4 d5 19. cxd5 Qxd5 20. Qxd5 Nxd5 21. Nd6 b6 22. Ba3 Rfd8 23. Ree1 Bf8 24. Nc4 Bxa3 25. Nxa3 Re8 26. Rxe5 Nf4 27. g3 Nxe6 28. Rae1 Ng7 29. f4 =, it looks like a draw.|
|Jul-28-05|| ||patzer2: <Robin001> <Also, what is wrong with instead of Qa5 just playing Ne8 with ideas of bringing it to c7?> The short answer is probably nothing major, but there are better ways to try and hold the position.|
It would appear that 15...Ne8 is playable, but after 16. Ba3 White maintains a persistent space advantage and the initiative. Also after 15...Ne8 16. Ba3, it will be difficult to develop the Knight to c7 without conceding White a larger advantage.
Black with careful defense might survive after the 15...Ne8 retreat, but if simplifying to an even endgame with minimal complications is the goal, then <DP12>'s idea 15...fxe4 or your 15...cxb5 would seem preferable.
|Sep-19-05|| ||cu8sfan: Yannick Pelletier commented this game in New in Chess 6/2005. After move 12 he wrote|
<All these moves were flashed out by my opponent, who made no attempt to hide his determination. A famous old compatriot of mine would have looked forward to the end of the game in order to give him an earful for this unusual behaviour...>
Lol! I think I know whom he's talking about.
|Jan-24-07|| ||suenteus po 147: <cu8sfan> Is he Pelletier talking about Korchnoi?|
|Oct-19-15|| ||kamagong24: ... and at the european club cup 2015, 10 years later|