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|Nov-23-09|| ||JG27Pyth: A nice lesson for me: <Don't let one pattern recognition obscure another> ... I spent way too much time trying to find ways to make various permutations of windmill-suffocated mate work with the Nf2 check... as the lines got deeper and deeper I kept slapping myself (figuratively) and saying, "Monday, champ, Monday...this ain't it" ... which of course suggests the question that if I hadn't known it was Monday, would I have missed this? Quite possibly. I don't know what suggested Ng3+ to me other than just looking at all available checks, but as soon as the h-pawn recaptured the rook-file-as-back-rank mate popped out, screaming, wake-up, it's monday morning!|
|Nov-23-09|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: What's the most forcing move on the board? Ng3+ of course.|
I actually spent some time looking at Nf2+, but that annoyingly gives white a chance to survive, whereas Ng3+ gives white absolutely no chance whatever.
|Nov-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 21...Ng3+ obvious|
|Nov-23-09|| ||A Karpov Fan: got it|
|Nov-23-09|| ||kevin86: Two steps: knight pries open the road to the king-then queen mates.|
Twist on normal queen sac-this time the queen mates.
|Nov-23-09|| ||gofer: 21 ... Ng3+ 22 hxg3 Qh5#|
|Nov-23-09|| ||YouRang: For just a moment, I played with the windmill move (21...Nf2+), because windmills are fun.|
But the payoff was a bit too complicated for a Monday, so I considered the other forcing move, 21...Ng3+, which of course leads to a quick mate: 22.hxg3 Qh5#.
|Nov-23-09|| ||chrisowen: The mid-knight at e4 is baying at the door, watch out he'll rip your lungs out. Bit hairy for white, Ng3+ hxg3 Qh5+ where it cleans him out hands the point over the space of time.|
|Nov-23-09|| ||lekoo: <remolino, Qc3 does not lead to mate (maybe a win) because of 23.Nf3>|
|Nov-23-09|| ||beenthere240: Interesting opening, except that white can transition to a Nimzovich on move 2 with e4. Not that there's anything wrong with that.|
|Nov-23-09|| ||MindBoggle: MindBoggle: This one always brings back happy memories for me. |
More than twenty years ago, when I was a young player, I was playing an important game for my club and had to win. Like Welling I went for a kings indian structure, but unlike him in this game, i was badly outplayed, and wanted to resign, but because of the importance of the game I decided to continue just a little bit longer. I decided to leave my queenside to its fate and while my opponent was busy annihilating what was left of it I managed to get my last two pieces to the kingside, a queen and a knight. I put my queen on g5 and the knight on h5, planning to play Nf4 and at least threaten mate before resigning. My opponent, who was a solid player of master strength, of course saw my 'threat' to his king on h1, and wanted to take away even the slightest hint of counterplay by covering it even before I made it. So he covered g2 with the move Rc1-g1???????
In a split second Ng3+ followed, and I watched my opponent as the blood was leaving his face when it dawned on him what he had just done to himself. If now hxg3 then Qh5 mate! With my last piece! He just sat there, petrified, for 5 minutes before he stopped the clock and left the playing hall without a word.
I filled in the score sheet and celebrated the victory with my team mates! An unbelievable escape!
|Nov-23-09|| ||parisattack: <MindBoggle:>
Great story; thanks for sharing.
I have similar but not quite as great an ending. I was playing Milan Vukovich who at the time was about 400 ELO strong then me. He 'fell' into some prepared analysis in the Najdorf. I had a forced mate in 4 beginning with a rook sacrifice. I didn't see it but should have known something was up since 10-15 people had gathered around the board.
I got a draw a few moves later and was so happy - until Milan showed me the mate I had missed!
|Nov-23-09|| ||Once: <MindBoggle> Really enjoyed your story, thanks!|
I think that we put up with it all ... the defeats, the awful coffee, the cold church halls, the lack of female company, losing to a three year old, the silly mistakes at the end of a hard fought battle, the endless evening drives to the "venue that time and sat nav forgot" ... just for the odd occasion when we pull off something remarkable.
Then we come home and the wife asks "how did you get on?"
You're so glad she asked that you can't help explaining. "I won with a neat queen sac, followed by a royal knight fork."
"That's nice, dear," she says, with the same tone of voice she uses when you try to explain the finer points of Klingon etiquette or why Luke and Leia are really brother and sister.
But you've still got that warm feeling of a game well played, never mind that the dearly beloved and 95% of the population will never understand the little smile that stays with you for ages. Or at least until you get beaten by the next child prodigy at the All Saints church of Nether-Wallop under Lyme.
|Nov-23-09|| ||dumbgai: If the problem is "Black to move and win", there are many solutions here.|
|Nov-23-09|| ||Waitaka: <dumbgai> sure.
The question is allways "what is the best one?"
|Nov-23-09|| ||Patriot: These Monday problems tend to lure one into calculating immediately without considering material differences, which can get you into trouble when trying to solve harder puzzles. Before proceeding I noticed the king in a stalemate position and so looked at Ng3+ and followed it to mate.|
<<JG27Pyth>: A nice lesson for me: <Don't let one pattern recognition obscure another> ... I spent way too much time trying to find ways to make various permutations of windmill-suffocated mate work with the Nf2 check...>
It sounds like you made a mistake that I've made quite a few times before--not looking wide before you look deep. That is, spending too much time on one candidate before exploring others. Had you looked at Nf2+ and then considered Ng3+ as another possibility before calculating further you would've seen the mate. As a part of my thought process when I see a good move I immediately ask myself if there is anything better before calculating further. That can save a lot of time.
|Nov-23-09|| ||MaczynskiPratten: <Once>: LOL. x2! Says it all :-)|
|Nov-23-09|| ||Nullifidian: An easy mate in 2 to start the week:
21. ... g3+ 22. hxg3 h5#
|Nov-23-09|| ||SpoiltVictorianChild: puzzle shoulda started from 18...?|
|Nov-23-09|| ||turbo231: A very good puzzle although I failed to see the proper continuation. I went for material and missed checkmate! Embarrassing.|
|Nov-23-09|| ||ComboKal: <Once> re: <too easy> Sorry, it was a spontaneous reaction. Do you agree, though, that this would be a better puzzle if it started at <18...?>?|
|Nov-23-09|| ||mworld: definitely seemed more like half a star in difficulty than a whole star.|
|Nov-23-09|| ||JG27Pyth: Patriot<It sounds like you made a mistake that I've made quite a few times before--not looking wide before you look deep.>|
Amen. "Look wide before you look deep" is one of my favorite axioms, and advice I've given out many times, precisely because it's an axiom <I <need>.
|Nov-23-09|| ||patzer2: It's Monday and 21...Ng3+ initiates mate-in-two to solve today's puzzle.|
|Nov-24-09|| ||Once: <ComboKal: Do you agree, though, that this would be a better puzzle if it started at <18...?>?>|
I guess it depends on the skill level of the solver. CG.com has to appeal to a broad range of kibitzers, from wizened old hands to fresh chess virgins. So they do need to have some easy Mondays in there. Otherwise, new folk would quickly get disillusioned and wander away. So I don't mind if Mondays or Tuesdays are as tweazy, cos we do need to bring new people into this game.
Sure, the position from 18... would be a more challenging puzzle, and a fun one to work out. But then CG.com would quickly run out of Monday positions if all they ever gave us was the harder stuff.
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