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|Aug-24-05|| ||prinsallan: First!? - Dubious indeed.
<Rexeterna>If you are first, maybe its better to say something about the game then to just say "First"...
Whats so impressive with being first if you donīt have any opinions? I think that was the statement <dac1990> was pointing out.
|Aug-24-05|| ||jahhaj: <weary willy> Shirov was playing board 2 for Wood Green. Michael Adams was board 1.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||jahhaj: <khense> 21...♕f6 22.♗c5+ ♔g8 23.e7 fails to 23...♗xf2+ 24.♗xf2 ♕xe7. I think the second line I quoted is White's best after 21...♕f6, very difficult for Black.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||xenophon: if you like this game you should try sutovsky vs sokolov from the same event|
|Aug-24-05|| ||al wazir: <jahhaj: Doesn't 21...Qf6 save Black? E.g. 22.e7+ Qxe7 23.Bc5 Rd6 and White has compensation but isn't clearly winning.> 22. Bc5+ Rd6 23. Bxd6+ cxd6 24. Qc8+ Ke7 25. Qd7#. If 23...Kg8, then 24. e7.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||jahhaj: <al-wazir> 23...♔g8 is a stupid move, perhaps you meant 22...♔g8. If so then 23.e7 fails to 23...♗xf2+|
|Aug-24-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <dac 1990> You just did.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||chessic eric: <al wazir> in your line, 25.Qd7 is not mate, as black can play 25...,Kf8. I agree with <jahhaj> that 21...,Qf6 is black's best chance, but interposing the black rook @ d6 is disastrous. Better to play Kg8 after white's Bc5+ and hope the attack on f2 provdes some counterchances.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||ajile: <grogygrmln: Perhaps he could be Shirov himself because he felt he had nothing to Flear?>|
|Aug-24-05|| ||Koster: Complicated opening, but 11...Be7 or Qd7 both look safer than d4. Not sure if the attack is 100% sound, but too risky to allow it against Shirov.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||WannaBe: I wonder if "Nothing to Flear but Flear himself" was rejected?|
|Aug-24-05|| ||psmith: <EmperorAtahualpa>
(to dac 1990) "You just did."
No, dac 1990 said "'first'".
He didn't say 'first'.
|Aug-24-05|| ||YouRang: I have a feeling that after 21. Be3 Qf6, as jahhaj suggests, Shirov would have lost had he been playing a strong computer like Fritz. Maybe. A fun game to watch though.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||kevin86: The conclusion is whimsical:white can't crash through directly-so he creates a diversion on the seventh to crash through on the eighth after all.|
With play like that -I bet Shirov wins more than his "Shirov" his games.
|Aug-24-05|| ||dac1990: That was the joke of my post; I can't warn against saying 'first' without actually saying it. It just annoys me that people inflate their egos by posting the woed 'first' when they're the first one to kibitz. It doesn't add anything constructive.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||Robin01: <dac1990> You should not let such small things annoy you so much. Who cares if people put first, second, etc. on their posts?|
|Aug-24-05|| ||sitzkrieg: 28th!|
|Aug-24-05|| ||PaulLovric: <sitzkrieg: first!> LMFAO|
|Aug-24-05|| ||PaulLovric: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EGOS, IT IS BLOODY FUNNY, THIS WAS NOT:<dac1990: No one should ever say 'first'. Great game.>|
|Aug-24-05|| ||lopium: Oh my Gods! kidding.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||BishopofBlunder: <WannaBe> <I wonder if "Nothing to Flear but Flear himself" was rejected?> Possibly, but it's not something we can be Shirov!|
|Aug-25-05|| ||WannaBe: <BishopofBlunder> Ouch... Good one. :-)|
|Aug-25-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <psmith> And I thought I was being picky....LOL|
|Aug-25-05|| ||al wazir: <jahhaj: 23...Kg8 is a stupid move, perhaps you meant 22...Kg8. If so then 23.e7 fails to 23...Bxf2+> Then 24. Bxf2, with Re1 a threat.|
|Aug-26-05|| ||jahhaj: <al wazir> 21...♕f6 22.♗c5 ♔g8 23.e7 ♗xf2+ 24.♗f2 ♕xe7 and Black is the exchange and two pawns up, with, long term, a safer king as well. I don't see ♖e1 as much of a threat, e.g. 25.♖e1 ♕d6 26.♖e8+ ♖xe8 27.♕xe8 ♕f8 and Black is fine.|
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