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|Sep-02-05|| ||j750: Excuse me, khense. Perhaps I'm wrong. But after 20 QXd3 Re1+ 21 Qf1 Re8e6 ==> 22 Rxe1 Rg6+ (??) 23 Qg2 (!!). Now, how can black win? 23 ... Bxg2 24 Re8#; 23 ... Rxg2+ 24 Kf1 and white is good, I think. According to me the solution is simply: 20 QXd3 Re1+ 21 Qf1 Bxf1 (!!) 22 Rxe1 Rxe1 23 h4 (or h3, unique) Bxc4+ and, after the exchange of the rooks, black must win easily.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||thomaspaine: For a similar theme, also see Janowski vs Marshall.
Janowski vs Marshall, 1912
|Sep-02-05|| ||Goumindong: After h4, Black simply starts advancing pawns on the king side and waits until white looses.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||laskerdog: Blacks harassments sets off right away.White is playing with cramp from 5th move. The pain is steadily growing through the match. Pretty simple Q sac, but spotting it in a match is the challenge.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||Pretzel Logic: I don't think Steadman is a very good player. Being married to Oprah has made him soft, taken away from his study time for chess.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||franksp: If 20 Qxd3 then R-e1 21 Q-f1 (Rxe1 Rxe1 22 Q-f1 Rxf1#) Bxf1 leaves Black a piece ahead for a start. ... P-d2 will soon win more material.|
If 20 Q-f1 Bxf1 21 Rxf1 or Kxf1 P-d2 threatens 22... R-e1 and soon wins a Rook.
|Sep-02-05|| ||peabody88: <j750> <franksp> What about the following continuation? 20.♕xd3 ♖e1+ 21.♕f1 ♖xf1 22.♖xf1 ♖e6 and mate on the next move.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||drmariogodrob: <peabody88> That ought to do it.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||catlover: As laskerdog commented, White seems to go astray early on. I wonder if 5.Qxd4 is the better continuation (versus 5.Nxd4 which seems to get him in trouble).|
|Sep-02-05|| ||kevin86: White's game seems to be a step slow on every move. By about the tenth move,he is clearly behind in space and position.Black's pawns occupy the center and his pieces menace said center. White's pieces are bottled up and the king is uncastled. Defeat is certain.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||Wertheimer: Game of the day????????|
|Sep-02-05|| ||keypusher: <catlover> <laskerdog> glad cats and dogs can see eye to eye about this game.|
Here's another interesting game with this opening.
Chistiakov vs Bronstein, 1945
I agree 5 Qxd4 would be better; also 4 cd is standard.
|Sep-02-05|| ||I Pawn You: Didn't get the pun.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||WannaBe: Belive the original saying is Deadman tells no tale.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||ILoveThisSite: This is another game I sent in from The Fireside Book of Chess (remember Samisch-Herzog?) They give the following variations:|
20 Qxd3 Re1+ 21 Qf1 Rxf1+ 22 Rxf1 Re6 and 23... Rg6#
20 Qf1 Bxf1 21 Kxf1 d2 wins as has been noted
20 f4 R8e6 21 f5 R6e4 22 f3 Rg2+ 23 Kf1 Rxb2+ 24 Kg1 and black can win one of two ways:
24... R6e2 (threatens mate in 4) 25 Qxe2 Rxe2 26 Rd1 Rg2+ 27 Kf1 Rd2+ 28 Ke1 Re2#
24... Rg2+ 25 Kf1 R6e2 (threatens mate) 26 Qxe2 Rxe2+ 27 Kg1 Rg2+ 28 Kf1 Ra2+ wins both rooks
|Sep-02-05|| ||Chess Addict: Wow, nice sac. o_o|
|Sep-02-05|| ||patzer2: In the final position, White resigns in lieu of <19. Kg1 Rae8> 20. f4 (20. Qf1 Bxf1 21. Kxf1 d2 22. Rd1 Re1+ 23. Kg2 Rxh1 24. Rxh1 Re1 ) 20... R8e6 21. f5 (21. f3 Rg6#) 21... R6e4 22. Qxe2 dxe2 23. f3 e1=Q+ 24. Rxe1 Rxe1+ 25. Kf2 Rxh1 .|
|Sep-02-05|| ||patzer2: Could such an obvious opening move capture as 12. exd4 be a losing blunder? Such would appear to be the case. If, instead of 12. exd4?, White had played 12. Bxd4, he might have held with with decent drawing chances (allowing Black only a small advantage). |
One possibility per Fritz 8 (@ 13 depth) is 12. Bxb4 Nxb4 13. a3 Nc6 14. Bd3 Bg4 15. h3 Bh5 16. Qe2 Rfd8 17. Rd1 dxe3 18. fxe3 e4 19. Bxe4 Rxd1+ 20. Qxd1 Qxb2 21. O-O Qxa3 22. Qb1 Bxf3 23. Rxf3 Ne5 24. Rf2 Qxe3 25. Qxb7 Rf8 26. Qd5 Qc3 27. Kh2 Re8 28. Qb5 Rd8 29. Bd5 Qa3 30. Re2 Qe7 .
After 12. exd4? exd4 White might have already been at a decisive disadvantage, but after 14. a3?! Re8+! Black had a clear winning pursuit (King Hunt) combination. White could have put up more resistance with 14. Bd3!? Re8+ 15. Kf1 Bg4 16. a3 Nxd3 17. Qxd3 Rac8 18. Rd1 a5 19. h3 Bxf3 20. Qxf3 Qxf3 21. gxf3 Rxc4 22. Kg2 , but with an extra pawn against White's doubled and isolated pawns Black would probably win the endgame.
|Sep-02-05|| ||khense: <Peabody88> <J750> Thank you! These were the moves I originally came up with, but then I thought I could short cut it with 21 ...R8e6. However J750 pointed out that the Q on f1 doesn't stay pinned, so it's 20 Qxd3 Re8+ 21 Qf1 Rxf1+ 22 Rxf1 R8e6.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||Koster: So what makes this game of the day? White played bad and the queen sac goes back to Morphy if not longer.|
|Sep-02-05|| ||patzer2: Using the Opening Explorer, it appears White might have done better with 8. Bg5 as in F Braga vs F Izeta Chavarri, 1991 or Kiril Georgiev vs D Gurevich, 1988 or Euwe vs Alekhine, 1937 or Wiersma vs Euwe, 1920. White's only loss in the data base with this move was Szabados vs Euwe, 1948, versus the previous four wins. |
Interestingly, Kasparov and Keene in BCO, 1982 edition, recommended 6. Nbd5 d4 7. Nd5 Na6 8. e4! Nf6 9. Qa4 Bd7 10. Bg5 Be7 11. Bxf6 gf 12. b4 (per Collijn), but there are no games in the ChessGames.com data base to indicate if any IMs or GMs have tried it out in actual play.
|Jun-18-07|| ||battleaxe: 20. Qf1 Bxf1 21. Kxf1 d2 22. Rd1 Re1+ 23. Kg2 Rxh1 24. Rxd2 Rhe1|
White lost a rook for a pawn and is unable to activate his other one because its blocked for a long time.
White has no hope in the position.
|Jul-24-07|| ||Phony Benoni: It's interesting how it's Black who pulls off this sacrifice so often. Besides this game plus the Paulsen vs Morphy, 1857 and Janowski vs Marshall, 1912 games mentioned above, another interesting example is
G MacDonnell vs S Boden, 1869.|
|Jul-24-07|| ||Calli: <Deadman tells no tale> |
Close, the saying is
"Dead men tell no tales."
|Sep-28-11|| ||SeanBurdine: Wow. White's huge edge in material is useless. 20 QxP R-K8 ch 21 Q-B1 RxQ ch! 22 RxR R-K3 23 Any R-N3 mate is a representative line. My source indicates White's mistake was 8 NxN ch.|
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