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|Oct-07-05|| ||Sneaky: Common russian transliteration:
DZH = J
|Oct-07-05|| ||Ezzy: Perhaps my patzer assessment of this game needs reviewing. I have just read Nigel Shorts flash report on chessbase news, and he says - "Kasimdzhanov unluckily lost with the white pieces".
I will have to see his analysis to see what he means, but I can not see why he was unlucky!|
His attack fizzled out with no win in sight, and he only then had possible chances for a perpetual. Which if there was one I haven't found it.
I will have to wait for his full report. Perhaps I am being 'over the top' but to me he got crushed! Which to me means he never had any serious chances of winning the game.
Hurry up Nigel, tell us what you mean.
|Oct-07-05|| ||Akavall: <Ezzy> Those were my thoughts as well, I also didn't understand why Short said "unluckily".|
|Oct-07-05|| ||csmath: <<His attack fizzled out with no win in sight>>|
Exactly. He is not much of an attacker, and certainly not against such a tight rope walker like Morozevich. I wonder what exactly pushed him into this aggression. He is not exactly known for aggressive bursts and yet he initiated this exchange sacrifice with some 20 minutes left on his clock, and 18 moves to go to the first time control. Then he makes a series of imprecise moves and gets himself in a lost position which Moro clearly knew how to handle.
Good game for Moro, not a good game for Kasim.
|Oct-07-05|| ||alexandrovm: maybe the rook exchange was good for white, but didn't play the best moves|
|Oct-07-05|| ||Ezzy: <csmath - Akavall> Just to support our opinion on the Nigel Short 'lucky' issue, I have just found this post from the main world chess championship page - |
<thomaspaine - Kasim sac'd an exchange for really nothing. As soon as Seirawan saw the exchange, he stated that Black King should suffer for a while, but no sustained initiative for white. A strangely diseased play.>
So Nigel, wadda u know!
|Oct-07-05|| ||percyblakeney: 26. Qxf6 could have been the move to give Kasim some chances. White could maybe get some annoying threats after for example 26. Qxf6 Qe6 27. Qh8+ Ke7 28. Qd4. Shredder sees possibilities like Qb6, Bf5 or Bc4 for white in some of the following variations.|
|Oct-07-05|| ||SEMENELIN: I don't like the move of Rustam 22. Rxf6 gxf6 too risky!!! and seems he just blow his chance to be on the advantage|
|Oct-07-05|| ||Koster: <Ezzy: <Giearth: Guys, his name is Kasimjanov!> We are both wrong. It says on the side of his board - 'Kasimdzhanov.'>|
Whatever his name is the new rating list has him at #35 so he seems to be in over his head. Polgar is top 10, but not playing like it.
|Oct-07-05|| ||notsodeepthought: <Koster: Whatever his name is the new rating list has him at #35 so he seems to be in over his head.> He's doing better than not only Polgar but also Adams. Perhaps most notably, he beat Anand and that may turn out to be the turning point of the tournament - if Anand had won that one (as the ratings difference would suggest he should) he could close within half a point of Topalov by winning today's match.|
|Oct-07-05|| ||euripides: a4 looks a little loosening to me. It might be easier to get the queen's side pawn moving in the later middle game if this pawn were on a2 or a3.|
|Oct-07-05|| ||thomaspaine: I think Kasim was expecting Moroz to take the c2 pawn in the previous move. Then Kasim would have played Bd3, gaining a tempo by attacking the rook. Then perhaps the attack would have been dangerous. But Moroz smelled danger, and withdrew his rook to c8, instead of grabbing the c2 pawn. But Kasim went ahead with his plan anyways.|
Also, note that Kasim seemed to exchange to get a chance to danger the black king, and not grab enough pawns and then try to push the g&h pawns to queendom. He didn't grab the h7 pawn with his bishop (as Seirawan & Fritz suggested). But he quickly found out there was really no attack after moroz two nice moves Re8 & Kf8, and tried for a draw.
|Oct-07-05|| ||csmath: <<He's doing better than not only Polgar but also Adams.>>|
Yes, and he isn't bad at all even though he is a target of the jokes rather often.
In this very game he shot himself in the foot initiating complications with 20 minutes on his clock. He looked depressed on the post-game press conference. The last game he lost after Topalov played remarkable ending but this game he lost it himself even though Moro has been an appropriate tool to that "aim."
|Oct-07-05|| ||Ezzy: Nigel Short didn't elaborate on how Kasmjanov was unlucky. But Susan Polgar has jumped on the bandwaggon.|
<Susan Polgar - Kasimdzhanov played very well. On move 22, he made a brilliant sacrifice that gave him a very strong attack. Unfortunately, Kasim failed to find the best continuation during time pressure. Morozevich took advantage of this and converted an almost lost game for a full point and now tie with Leko for 4th - 5th place. It was an unlucky loss for Kasim.> Blaming the clock again! Isn't that part of the game. If you spend a lot of time thinking in the early stages, you are giving yourself an advantage(because you will see more variations). If then you get into time trouble and lose your advantage, well that is not unlucky, it is your own fault for not managing your time properly.
It really does my head in when people find silly excuses to why someone lost a game. Kasimdzhanov would be the last person to say he was unlucky!
If you spend all your time trying to find a killer blow and it doesn't happen, and then you have no time to defend your opponents counter attack; well that's just tough. Same time for both players. NO luck, NO excuses.
|Oct-07-05|| ||Hesam7: I think the exchange sac was sound. Maybe if Kasim had more time left he could have drawn the game. I am not sure where Kasim went wrong after the sac but 25. Rf1 seems the to be the first place to look for mistakes. Why not 25. Bxh7 ? Why Kasim gives up the d5-pawn?|
|Oct-07-05|| ||csmath: <I am not sure where Kasim went wrong after the sac but 25. Rf1 seems the to be the first place to look for mistakes. Why not 25. Bxh7 ? Why Kasim gives up the d5-pawn?>|
It is not easy to do that.
25. Bxh7 is a machine move but to a practical player that means opening h-file for black rooks down the line.
I was watching the game and while my engine was suggesting Bxh7, I personally would not make that move either over the board. It just simply does not look good. Black king runs to the other side while h-file stays open for black counterattack. It might have been a better move but it looks dangerous. Machine can calculate deep but Kasim is not a machine.
|Oct-07-05|| ||csmath: My feeling is that the exchange sacrifice could not produce anything better than a draw for white. |
And in this type of acrobatic position Moro is better than Kasim, in particular when one considers how much time Kasim had left on the clock.
|Oct-07-05|| ||Boomie: Even with Uncle Fritz, it took a while to find the winning line. 26. b4 is a move I probably would have missed. Plus the winning idea of c4-c5 is not at all obvious. I'm not surprised that Kasim missed this.|
25. ♗xh7 ♖e5 26. b4 ♕d8 27. ♖f1 a5 28. b5 f5 29. ♕h6+ ♔e7 30. c4 ♔d7 31. ♗xf5+ ♔c7 32. c5 dxc5 33. b6+ ♔b8 34. ♗d3 (3.24/13)
|Oct-08-05|| ||csmath: What makes you think that black is forced to play 25. ... Re5?|
What if he plays Ke7 instead?
|Oct-08-05|| ||Hesam7: <csmath: 25. Bxh7 is a machine move but to a practical player that means opening h-file for black rooks down the line.> I just had a look at the position, but the main point is why should white allow black to capture the d5 pawn? Bringing the black Queen in a nice central position? Later I will have a deep look using Fruit in the position after Black's 24th move.|
|Oct-08-05|| ||Boomie: <csmath> ♔e7? But I had such a nice bust of ♖e5. Why spoil all my fun with a good move? Nice find.|
At a glance it appears that black can hold. However it will take someone with more experience than I in endgames to sort it out. The connected passed pawns look awesome but they're a long way from paydirt. Meantime black will make hash of white's other pawns and create a passer of his own.
25...♔e7 26. b4 ♕xa4 27. ♖f1 ♔d7 28. ♕xf6 ♔c7 29. ♕xf7+ ♕d7 30. ♕xd7+
♔xd7 31. g4 a5 (0.60/14)
|Oct-08-05|| ||Boomie: Here's another swing at ♔e7. With the queens on the board, white won't be able to push the passers. Maybe there is a way to take advantage of black's exposed king. However the king appears to be near safety.|
25. ♗xh7 ♔e7 26. ♗f5 ♔d8 27. ♕xf6+ ♔c7 28. ♕xf7+ ♔b6 29. ♗e6 (1.12/13)
|Oct-08-05|| ||Ezzy: 25. Bxh7 Ke7 26. Bf5 Kd8 27. Qxf6+ Kc7 28. Qxf7+ Kb6 This is the starting position of the whole argument about the exchange sacrifice.|
It is an extremely complicated unbalanced position, which having gone through lots of variation with fritz, is almost impossible to assess.
Perhaps a future challenge for the top players to get their teeth into!
|Oct-11-05|| ||yunis: pure Qasim'missed an obviou win 'could exchange material 28.Qxf7+Qxf7 29.Rxf7+ -Re7 30.Rxe7-Kxe7 31.Bxh7 remaining with extra 2 pawns which can roll freely'the Q-side being protected'black have nothing to look for thier|
|Oct-17-05|| ||Hesam7: Here is the promised analysis from Fruit after black's 24th move:|
25. Bxh7 Kg7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Rf1 Qe3 28. Bd3 Qg5 29. Qh7 Kf8 30. a5 Rad8 31. b5 Qg7 32. Qh4 Re5 33. bxa6 bxa6 34. Bxa6 Rxd5 35. Qb4 (eval: +0.40)
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