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|Mar-23-06|| ||yataturk: I think this is a great game.. It is a continous attack fiesta past the 13th move..|
|Mar-23-06|| ||LoveThatJoker: Well I do have news for everyone:
Fritz 9 says that Polgar had a stronger defence with 45...Qg6, as opposed to 45...Qxf6.
My line of 45. Re8+ Kh7 46. f6 Qg6 is the exact same thing as 45. f6 Qg6 46. Re8+ Kh7
If you don't believe me check it out for yourselves on your engine. You'll see what I mean.
If anything I can say that is better about the immediate 45. f6 to 45. Re8+ is that it is more 'trappy.'
And this is what I have learned from today's puzzle: Always, always play the move that gives a greater chance for the opponent to trap him/herself in.
p.s. Fellow kibitzers: I would just like to quickly add that when I was considering my combo of 45. Re8+ Kh7 46. f6, that I was seeing two possibilities
46...Qxf6 and 46...Qf7.
Of course 46...Qxf6 transposes to the actual game continuation; whereas 46...Qf7? Loses the Black Lady to 47. Qb1+ Qg6 48. Rh8+.
I would just like to add that Fritz 9 in its infinte calculating wisdom found the defensive pearl (a move that should not have slipped my radar, however) 46...Qg6.
Had only Polgar played 45...Qg6!
|Mar-23-06|| ||arenafootball9: I thought I got it right away beacuse I saw all the moves based on the Qb1 threat. Unfortunatly my order of moves was incorrect. I moved the rook first, then the Queen and thought 47. f6 wins the Queen like in the puzzle. What I didn't see was that the Black Queen can just sit on top of my f pawn preventing f6. I am often close to solving these puzzles but my patience is terrible. If I don't see it really soon I lose concentration and go do something else. As a result, alot of you guys find stuff I don't. Your analyses are always helpful.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||chesstoplay: This was an easy one for me because I love "wild" Rook situations. Any time I can make a Queen a lose piece and a free target, my interest goes way up!! A wild Rook's forced attaraction is just amazing in so many endgame studies.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||GilHamilton: So, is 45. e8+ h7 46. f6 feasible here? Can I gloat over my masterful puzzle solving abilities? </irony> :)|
|Mar-23-06|| ||jmelton: Got it! Beautiful attacking game by Kasimdzhanov -- not perfect, but very few games are. Not the greatest of defense by Polgar. Even I know that leaving pieces pinned for moves on end is a recipe for trouble!|
|Mar-23-06|| ||crafty: 45...g6 46. e8+ h7 47. e7+ xe7 48. fxe7 e8 49. e6 (eval 2.99; depth 15 ply; 500M nodes)|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Counterpoint: <GilHamilton> You can't gloat over a 2 move analysis.|
If 45.Re8+ Kh7 46.f6 now:
a)46...Qxf6 47.Qb1+ (see text)
b)46...Qf7 47.Qb1+ Qg6 48.Rh8+ Kg7 49. Rg8+
c)46...Qg6 47.Re7+ Rxe7 48.Qe7+ Kh8 (or Kg8) 49.Qe8+ Kh7 (if 49...Qg8 50.f7) 50.f7 and 51.f8=Q cannot be stopped.
|Mar-23-06|| ||Cogano: I am so happy. Since the first day I joined this site until now, this is the
absolute first Wednesday puzzle I got right. But, since I still don't feel I understand chess well enough (such as positional analysis), I can't explain why I chose those sequence of moves. All I know is that my instinct said: f6, Re8+, Qb1+. Just the same, I'm really happy I got it. Take very good care all & have a great day.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Cogano: Ah! I just looked at the position again & it finally dawned on me why Qb1+ is so devestating. Either Ms. Polgar will lose her Queen or her rook. If 45...Qg6, then 46.Re6. If 45...Kg7, then 46.Qg1+ loses the rook regardless what she plays! Neat combination!|
|Mar-23-06|| ||wavershadow: I was thinking of 45.Re8+ and followed by 46.f6.I believe it also works,does it?|
|Mar-23-06|| ||majick: Hell, I feel bad. I got up until 45. Re8+ Kh7 46. f6! Qxf6 47. Qb1+ Qg6 48. Rh8! Kg7 and then gave up because I didn't see the final shot 49. Rg8! which wins a Queen for a Rook. I certainly would have seen it with a board but unfortunately we're not allowed to use a board in a game either...|
Just wondering, do you guys use an external board for these puzzles?
|Mar-23-06|| ||itz2000: lets say 47 ..Qg6
what white can do now?
|Mar-23-06|| ||al wazir: <Cogano: If 45...Qg6, then 46.Re6.> 45...Qg6 46. Re8+ Kh7 47. Re7+ Rxe7 48. fxe7, and there is no way black can stop the from promoting, except by losing at least two pawns.|
<If 45...Kg7, then 46.Qg1+.> 45...Kg7 is not a possible move.
I'm guessing you meant 47...Qg6. Right? Then 48. Rh8+ Kg7 (48...Kxh8 Qxg6) 49. Rg8+ wins the . If black plays 47...Kg7 then you're right, 48. Qg1+ wins the , but after 48...Kf7/Kh7 49. Qg8# is stronger.
I missed the solution entirely; I got hung up on 45. Rg3, which absolutely doesn't work.
|Mar-23-06|| ||Oliphaunt: <itz2000> 47.-Qg6 48.Rh8+ Kxh8 49.Qxg6 wins.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||goldenbear: Last Sunday's puzzle took me a split second but this puzzle took me at least 2 mins and I only decided on f6 by elimination, never actually "seeing the solution.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||goldenbear: Funny how style affects what you see. As for me, I seem to have a knack for double piece sacrifices; they are a recurring theme in my tournament games and I play them quickly and thoughtlessly. On the other hand, I frequently blunder badly in both rook endgames and king and pawn endings, sometimes after lengthy thought.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Cogano: <al wazir> Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that. I got the move #'s wrong. &
I guess you're right, but that would mean an exchange of rook for Queen, which I grant may still happen if she moves the rook to g7. I'll have to re-analyze the position. But, at a guess, I'd say your line is more forcing because of the pawn's threat. Thanks much for clarifying that. Take very good care & have a great day!|
|Mar-23-06|| ||WarmasterKron: Got it. I'd first looked at 45.Re8+ Kh7 46.f6 with 47. Qb7+, but decided the immediate f6 looked less clumsy.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||aktajha: I didn't see it directly; then i took my own chess set; put up the pieces as in the problem; looked again and saw it immediately.|
I think I'm better at 3d than 2d chess :P (weird, isn't it?)
|Mar-23-06|| ||jahhaj: Got this but probably only because I remember the game from San Luis. I remembered the queen moving from one side to the other, and that's how I recalled 47.Qb1+ Kg7 48.Qg1+. After that everything else fell into place pretty easily.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Halldor: Funny: I found the continuation till the end of the game (although I used most of the time for 45.e8+), and even glanced at 48.h8+ g7 without seeing that 49.g8+!! wins the queen..., obviously I didn't get the solution. - Patzer!|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Hudson Hawk: <Counterpoint> Good analysis. That's pretty much what I saw. I solved this one (after missing the last two) and the line I calculated for my solution was actually the Qg6 variation since the queen recapture seemed almost like a blunder as it immediately loses queen for rook. |
Feelin' like slightly less of a patzer...
|Mar-23-06|| ||DexterGordon: Like <al wazir> I got interested in 45.Rg3, thinking that after 45...Qf7 either 46.f6 (threatening Rg7) or 46.Qe3 Kh7 47.Rg6 is strong. |
Does anyone see anything there, or am I barking up the wrong tree??
|Mar-23-06|| ||Richard Taylor: I saw the idea of all this including winning the queen or the rook with check and the check Qb1 on etc etc but initially started with Re8 -|
A complex game - butI think those who dismiss this game as a blunder fest forget that even at the highest level most games include numerous errors - humans simply cannot calculate as many variations as super computers - many of Capaplanca's games (e.g.) will be found to be full of "blunders" in the coming age of super super computers...which will be probably even much stronger than Hydra.
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