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|Mar-23-06|| ||Hudson Hawk: <Counterpoint> Good analysis. That's pretty much what I saw. I solved this one (after missing the last two) and the line I calculated for my solution was actually the Qg6 variation since the queen recapture seemed almost like a blunder as it immediately loses queen for rook. |
Feelin' like slightly less of a patzer...
|Mar-23-06|| ||DexterGordon: Like <al wazir> I got interested in 45.Rg3, thinking that after 45...Qf7 either 46.f6 (threatening Rg7) or 46.Qe3 Kh7 47.Rg6 is strong. |
Does anyone see anything there, or am I barking up the wrong tree??
|Mar-23-06|| ||Richard Taylor: I saw the idea of all this including winning the queen or the rook with check and the check Qb1 on etc etc but initially started with Re8 -|
A complex game - butI think those who dismiss this game as a blunder fest forget that even at the highest level most games include numerous errors - humans simply cannot calculate as many variations as super computers - many of Capaplanca's games (e.g.) will be found to be full of "blunders" in the coming age of super super computers...which will be probably even much stronger than Hydra.
|Mar-23-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Ugh, I missed this puzzle. Worst thing is that I've seen this game before and that I remember the position more or less. :(|
|Mar-23-06|| ||dakgootje: Strange, got the moves, but didnt really have a good way why i began calculating it, they all seemed too logical! But i got it... |
Probably will miss tomorrows one as im having a chess-tournament tomorrow the whole day and thus probably wont be able to go here and solve the puzzle. Even if i have time i doubt whether i want to solve a chess-puzzle after a hard day of 'working' ;-)
|Mar-23-06|| ||outplayer: where's the novelty in this game?|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Marvol: Hahaaa.., the first time I get a puzzle by remembering it. Does that count too :-)?|
So I knew ...Qxf6 was losing but it took me two hours to figure out why ...Qf7 and ...Qg6 would lose.
OK I went away and did something else in that two hours, I confess.
|Mar-23-06|| ||YouRang: I missed it. I even considered the winning line (as far as it was played), but failed to see the winning continuation! :-(|
47...Kg7 48. Qg1+! (winning the rook)
47...Qg6 48. Rh8+! Kg7 Rg8+! (winning a queen for a rook).
Very nice combination by Kasim, and a good Thursday puzzle.
|Mar-23-06|| ||The17thPawn: <CounterPoint>- You're line c after 45.Re8+,Kh7 46.f6,Qg6 47.Re7+,Rxe7 48.Qxe7+,Kh8 49.Qe8+?? hangs whites queen. I think its best to stick with Crafty's line in the event black plays Qg6.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, White's sham pawn sacrifice 45. f6! decoys the Queen for a winning double attack or skewer in the final position (i.e. 47...Kg7 48. Qg1+ or 47...Qg6 48. Rh8+ ).|
|Mar-23-06|| ||kevin86: I missed this one because I got my syntax wrong. I looked for the very quiet 45b1 and the very noisy e8+ or f6 I just didn't put them together.|
black has no escape to the extremely long range moves: 47...g6 48 h8+ xh8 49 xg6-or 48...g7 49 g8+ and black must take,losing the queen
or 47...g7 48 g1+ forking the king in the north and the rook in the northwest
|Mar-23-06|| ||kevin86: ain't no way to treat a lady,lol|
|Mar-23-06|| ||jackpawn: I feel like such an idiot. I saw the whole line up to resignation, but rejected it because I didn't see an answer for ...48 Qg5, totally overlooking I could then pick up the rook. I'm a fish, I'm a fish . . .|
|Mar-23-06|| ||buzzymind: <The17thPawn>
I was wondering the same thing how 49.e8+ leaves the queen hanging.
But, I was thinking the same as some others here. I actually picked the immediate 45.e8+ and saw the appropriate lines. That being said, I knew black didn't have to take the pawn (i.e. 45...g6 but then I saw the 46.e7+ line
|Mar-23-06|| ||werty: <KEVIN>It took another lady to b1 of them!|
|Mar-23-06|| ||goldenbear: <aktajha> I feel the same. I see tactics better in 3d, but I swear I evaluate positions better in 2D. Its weird.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||dakgootje: <patzer2> good to see you back again!|
|Mar-23-06|| ||drnooo: Fairly easy pawn push, winning quickly, but hardly a critical position. Too many ways an easy win with virtually no counterplay for black. Even rook g3 as the first move and then queen check and f6 sends her reeling. But the last few days of knight moves were very tough, glad for an easy rest day.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Granite: <goldenbear: I see tactics better in 3d, but I swear I evaluate positions better in 2D. Its weird.> |
Ever hear the expression 'You fight like you train'? I'd guess you probably do more positional evaluation in 2d while on sites like this, but use tactics over the board.
|Mar-23-06|| ||Infohunter: I saw the first move fairly quickly, but I didn't see the proper followup.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Chess Prodigy: I got this one...The idea behind 45.f6!! is if 45...Qxf6 46.Re8+ Kh7 47.Qb1+! (K moves Qg1+!! K moves then take rook; if 47...Qg6, then Rh8+ followed by Rg8+ winning Q), and if 45..Q moves then Re8+ and Re7+ followed by a series of trades that ultimately passes the pawn...4/4 this week! :-)|
|Mar-23-06|| ||soberknight: Wow, beautiful puzzle. I didn't get it. The first thought when I see a puzzle like this is, "Why not chuck the pawn on f6 and see what happens?" But then I stop myself and say, "If this were REALLY a game against a good opponent, would you so blithely part with that pawn?" Until the answer is yes, I haven't solved the puzzle. |
I got frustrated seeing Re8+ Kh7 and now what, Qe4+ is impossible, but I missed Qe1-b1-g1-a7. Wow!
|Mar-24-06|| ||al wazir: <dakgootje: <patzer2> good to see you back again!> I second that.|
|Mar-24-06|| ||martys668: what about RE8+ KH7 QB1--DOES THAT GET MUCH FOR WHITE??|
|Mar-24-06|| ||tjshann: I saw what would happen if 45 Qxp, but spent a lot of time wondering what happens if the the Queen doesn't capture.|
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