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|Oct-10-05|| ||tamar: <Gypsy> Shipov gives a different move order but ends up in the same position as your variation. |
60...Bb7 61 Bd1 Ke3 62 f4 Kf2 63Bxh5 Kxg3 64 Kc3 Kxf4 65 Bg6 and 65...Ke5 66 a4 Kd6=
The Black King goes next to the a pawn, and when the White King approaches the g pawn, the Black bishop attacks the f
pawn to sacrifice its life to eliminate all pawns.
|Oct-10-05|| ||Gypsy: <tamar: <Gypsy> Shipov gives a different move order but ends up in the same position as your variation.|
60...Bb7 61 Bd1 Ke3 62 f4 Kf2 63Bxh5 Kxg3 64 Kc3 Kxf4 65 Bg6 and 65...Ke5 66 a4 Kd6= > Thnx. I have been just now examining 65...Ke5 66.Kc5 Kd6 ... =. It seems to draw for the very same reason.
|Oct-10-05|| ||Gypsy: <csmath> I am trying to parse your variation, but something seems to be off.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||tamar: I am examining 58 Nc2+ for winning chances instead of 58 Nf5+. |
It is complex, but White can shepherd the a pawn home in some variations where Black goes after the g pawn with ...Ke5, ...Kf4 and ...Kg3
|Oct-10-05|| ||csmath: To be fair, Svidler should have won this game straightforward without this crazy ending. Somehow he was not able to, until Moro started to blunder.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||erdbeerfront: Is 69 ..h2 70. Bh1 Bh5 71. f5 Bf3 72 f7 Bh1 73. f8Q Bf3 a possibility?|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Animus Archetype: Damn it!!!! Topalov needed a draw to go comfortable in the Lead!!|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Gypsy: < erdbeerfront: Is 69 ..h2 70. Bh1 Bh5 71. f5 Bf3 72 f7 Bh1 73. f8Q Bf3 a possibility? > A clever idea -- it brings on an unplesant Q endgame. But it does not change the outcome of the game: 69...h2 70.Bh1 (immediate a4 actually gains an extra tempo, but for little to no aditional advantage) Bh5 71.f5 Bf3 72.Bxf3 Kxf3 73.f7 h8Q 74.f8Q ... The resulting Q-endgame is not plasant to play but it is theoretically won (In Q+P vs Q, f-pawn wins unless the defensive king controls the conversion square ... Pachman: "Practical Chess Endgames".). Initially, it would go something like this: 74...Qh2+ 75.Kd3 Qh7 76.Kd4 Qd7+ 77.Ke5 ... and, by hook by crook, the f-pawn will get to f8.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Ulhumbrus: 10..Na6 takes a step towards ...Nb4.On 11 Qxb7 Nb4 takes away with tempo the point a6 as a flight square for the white queen.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Ulhumbrus: 16...a5 loses a tempo for development. 16..Qd7 connects the rooks.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Mateo: 36... Kd6? was a big mistake, maybe because Moro was in zeitnot. 36... Be4 was safer, even if in the long run white has a won game. In the game, Svidler could have won a second pawn with 38. Bc6, instead of 38. Be4?|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 69...h2 70 a4 Kg1 71 a5 h1/Q 72 Bxh1 Kxh1 73 a6 Kf2 74 a7 the black QB cannot dance at two weddings, to use Lasker's expression.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Mateo: Again after 41... Bb3? why not 42. Bc6, instead of Kf2?|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Averageguy: It's a shame that Moro played the Petrov, knowing him I'd expexted him to play a slightly more adventurous opening.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||Mateo: <csmath It seems that 60. ... Bb7 is better (and certainly more logical): 61. Bd1 ... Ke3 62. f4 ... Kg2 63. Bxh5 ... Kxg3 64. Bd1 ... Kf4 and white cannot penetrate!> |
I agree with you. Another variation: 60... Bb7 61. Bd1 Ke3 62. f4 Kf2 63. a4 (another attempt) Kg3 64. Bh5 Kf4 65. Bg6 Ke5 66. Kc3 Kd5 67. Kb4 Kd6 and here I cannot find a win for white.
For instance, 68. a5 Ba6 69. Be8 Bd3 =. Or 68. Kc4 Bc6 69. a5 Bd7 70. Kb4 Kc6 =.
|Oct-11-05|| ||ReikiMaster: <csmath> or 38.Rxc6+. I also fail to see the point of 38.Be4.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||stijn: Moro got owned.|
|Oct-11-05|| ||tamar: Nigel Short commented on Chessbase that Svidler passed over a number of opportunities to win material early in this game and thought his positional solutions may have jeopardized his win. |
Late in the game, however,Svidler may have done the opposite and been too impatient to cash in when a positional solution would have been stronger
58. Nf5+ looks attractive, but allows the draw shown earlier in the kibitzes by 60...Bb7 instead of 60...Be2.
Svidler had a modest-looking but sounder 58 Nc2+ that would give his King an entry to the queenside that looks winning in all variations.
58 Nc2+ Ke5 59 Kc3 Kf4 60 Bc6 Bf1 61 Kb4 Nf7 62 a4 Ne5 63 Bb5 Bxg2 64 Ne1
no matter how Black takes on f3 the a pawn wins. + 7.08 at 23 ply Shredder8
One more variation:
58 Nc2+ Ke5 59 Kc3 Nb5+ 60 Bxb5 Bxb5
61 Nd4 Bd7 62 g3 g6 63 Kc4 Kf6 64 Nc2 Ba4 65 Ne3 Ke5 66 Kc5
when White has the ideal formation for both restraining Black's King and gradually pushing through on both wings. + 4.36 at 24 ply
|Oct-13-05|| ||Mateo: <csmath> Dear Csmath, I have a request for you. If one of these days, you got time, could you tell me what your engine (and of course I would appreciate your personal opinion) says about the Bishop versus Knight ending Solmundarson-Andersson, after 29. Bd1? I cannot find a win for black after 30. Ba4, but it is not completely clear. I think it is a more complicated ending than it seems, and a bit fascinating for me, as I like problem like endings. Regards|
|Oct-13-05|| ||csmath: Well, that is an interesting ending. It is a very tough ending for the white.|
29. Bd1 ... Nxe4
30. Ba4 (deviation from the game) ...
equal at the depth of 28. Possible continuation:
30. ... Kd7
apparently saving the important pawn and not letting too much space for bishop is the only reasonable try.
31. fxe5 ... Nc5
32. Bc2 ... Ke6
33. Kf4 ... Nd7
34. Bb3 ... c5
35. Ba4 ... Nxe5
Still even at the depth of 27.
36. ... Kd6 (f6 or f5 is even too)
37. Ke4 ... Ng4
even, 0.00 at the depth of 28.
38. ... Ke6
39. Kf4 ... Nf2
40. Bc6 ...
Depth 29, still 0.00
Don't seem to be going anywhere. Let's draw. :-)
|Oct-13-05|| ||Mateo: <csmath> Thank you for your kind attention!I will examine have a look at it.|
|Oct-13-05|| ||csmath: You're welcome. It has been interesting to me too.|
|Oct-16-05|| ||ajile: What's wrong with 32..NxB by Black?|
|Oct-16-05|| ||tpstar: <ajile> On 32 ... Nxc4 White has 33. Rxf5 and now if the Nc4 moves, 34. Nd6+ wins the Rc8, or 33 ... g6 34. Rf3 maintaining the Discovery threat.|
|Jul-13-12|| ||kangaroo13: no one else has commented in 7 years|
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