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Michael Thaler vs Sam Sloan
World Open (2003), Philadelphia USA, rd 8, Jul-06
King Pawn Game: Damiano Defense (C40)  ·  0-1


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Aug-28-07  Schluppy: <Robert De Leon Jr.> I'm forced to ask, this is just kibitzing on a game, why should he cite everything he states?

Plus Sam Sloan is a very large advocate of Diamano Defense. I will back up Alexmagnus by saying that all his information is very valid. Take a look at Tim McGrew's Gambit Cartel Article #11 from and you will have your answers.

In addition to that, quit being such a schmuck.

Aug-28-07  Schluppy: Haha, just realized how long ago that was posted!
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  MaxxLange: behold the power of CAPS LOCK
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  whiteshark: Sloan is to the Damiano what Bloodgood is to the Grob - simply a confession of failure.
Nov-22-07  qskakaley: I'm just curious, why can't black simply reply 8...Bxb7? I assume that there is some mating attack that I can't find. Could someone please provide the line...
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  crafty: 8...♗xb7 9. ♕f5+ ♔h6 10. d3+ g5 11. h4 ♔g7 12. ♕e5+   (eval 0.67; depth 11 ply; 500M nodes)
Nov-23-07  qskakaley: thanks <crafty>!
Mar-01-08  jovack: white = bad
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  whiteshark: "Play it again, Sam!"
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  alexmagnus: Sam actually once bet that he'll win a 5-game-match with the black side of Damiano (with 3...fxe5) against anybody below 2100. One player took his challenge but AFAIK the match didn't take place. Here, btw, white was rated 1985.
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  whiteshark: <Opening of the Day: <Damiano Defence>>

Opening Explorer Only 2 wins by Black - guess who was it in both games. :D

Sep-06-08  SetNoEscapeOn: Despite the fact that it has several competitors, the post on this game by <Robert De Leon Jr.> responding to <alexmagnus> is probably the most bizarre post I have ever read on It is all the more baffling because after the insane indignation, he mentions Fresh, which is indeed an excellent film that I would recommend to anyone, chess player or not.

It is strange and ironic that both the movie and the post contain the same vital lesson: crack kills.

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  drukenknight: I have to say there are far more bizarre posts on this site then his, some of them belong to me I am sad to say..
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  TheaN: <Robert De Leon Jr.>

What the hell was that for kind of post? <alexmagnus> is quite a well-respected kibitzer and simply quoted Sloan. If you wanted to find out whether he is speaking the truth or not, you could have looked it up first yourself, instead of this bizarre, caps-full post. Or at least ASK, compared to your screaming...

About the game, and with that about Sloan's ability to win from all players <2100 with the fxe5 variation... okay, good enough, I'm ~1750. Give me White on, lets say, move 8 or so from this game, D Aldrich vs S Sloan, 2007, and I'll be sure I'll win that easily.

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  MichaelJHuman: I know someone mentioned it, but this does remind me of Bloodgood, and the Grob opening.

But I suspect Sloan is much better than Bloodgood. Of course we don't really know what Bloodgood's real rating would be.

Anyway, I am a total patzer, and entertained by wins from supposedly bad openings. Why shouldn't life contain these little surprises? Makes chess more interesting, IMO

May-10-09  Robert De Leon Jr.: to <alexmagnus>, So that these ppl can get a life and stop commenting on this page. I'm sorry if i sounded like a raving loon, had a rough time coping with my grandmothers death n looking 4 any reason to blow my lid.
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  IMlday: After 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Nc6 11.Bxc6 Rb8 12.Qxa7 play might proceed Rb6 13.Ba4 Qf6 14.Nc3 Ne7 15.d3 Rf8 16.h5+ (?!) Kh7 17.Be3 Rxb2 18.Bd4 Qg5 19.g3 Rb7 20.Qa8 Bc5 21.Bxc5 Qxc5 22.0-0 Ra7 23.Qb8 Rb7 24.Qa8 draw. 3.Bc4 is certainly more edge with less risk.
Aug-28-09  TheTamale: <Robert De Leon Jr.> Sorry to hear about your grandmother, mate! Think of it this way: better to blow off steam with a bizarre chess rant than through road rage or something like that...
Nov-15-09  Qb6: 1. e4 e5 2. ♘f3 f6? 3. ♘xe5! fxe5? 4. ♕h5+ ♔e7 5. ♕xe5+ ♔f7 6. ♗c4+ d5! 7. ♗xd5+ ♔g6 and now 8. h4! is a forced win for White. 8. ... h6!? 9. ♗xb7!! Taking the bishop is fatal because of 10. ♕f5# 9. ... ♗d6! 10. ♕a5! Black still can't grab the bishop because of 11. ♕f5# 10. ... ♘c6! 11. ♗xc6 ♖b8 12. ♕xa7 picks off five pawns and with such a huge material disadvantage, Black can resign with a clear conscience. 8. ♗xb7? here pretty much threw the win away because after 8. ... ♗d6 there's no time for 9. ♕a5 etc. because Black can easily win back the material: two minor pieces for five pawns, more than enough compensation. I guess the main value of playing the Damiano is surprise value - the old Greco line, 3. ♘xe5! fxe5? 4. ♕h5+ ♔e7 5. ♕xe5+ ♔f7 6. ♗c4+ ♔g6?? 6. ... d5! would put up stiffer resistance but also loses quickly 7. ♕f5+ as the c8-♗ doesn't cover the f5 square 7. ... ♔h6 8. d4+ g5 9. h4 ♔g7 10. ♕f7+ ♔h6 11. hxg5#. Only 3. ... ♕e7 is working, see Schiffers vs Chigorin, 1897: Black missed a forced mate with 22. ... ♖h1+!! 23. ♘xh1 ♗h2+! 24. ♔xh2 ♖h8+! 25. ♗h6 ♖xh6+ 27. ♔g3 ♘f5+ 28. ♔f4 ♖h4#.
Mar-08-12  CChess013: what about 8 f4?
Apr-09-12  waustad: I suspect that Thaler's rating was a bit lower then. Unless there are 2 players of that name, he was 11 at the time.
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  Penguincw: Looks like mate in 3.
Oct-16-12  Abdel Irada: I think White started to stray here with 9. Qd5. Perhaps the safest place for the queen, as bizarre as it looks, is a5, where it can continue to watch f5 (preventing ...Bxb7) without allowing Black another tempo. The only chance Black has in this position is to take a lead in development, as Sloan did in this game, and turn it into a lightning attack.

Certainly, there is nothing wrong with 8. Bxb7!, which is the strongest bid to refute this variation of the Damiano, notwithstanding the outcome of this game. I suspect that if some more games with the line were added to the database, we could see this demonstrated.

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  Cyphelium: <Abdel Irada> Does white have anything convincing after 9. ♕a5 ♗xb7 10. ♕f5+ ♔h6? He can go for the perpetual with 11. ♕h3+ now of course, but that would be a moral victory for black. On the other hand, after, say, 11. d4+ g5 12. h4 ♔g7 13. ♗xg5 ♕f8, black has two pieces against five pawns. Is this really playable for white?
Oct-17-12  Abdel Irada: <Cyphelium>: You are right. I'd failed to notice that White had not inserted the moves 8. h4, h6, as is normal for this variation, and that Black can therefore survive taking the bishop.

Mea culpa.

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