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Sep-13-06
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| alexmagnus: <Actually the main thing is that from a chess point of view h4 is the only move that is sensible. 8.B:b7 Bd6 9. Qa5 and then bishop is not really invulnerable on b7. Black can take the bishop 9... B:b7 when it is unclear if after 10. Q:f5+ Kh6 11. d3 g5 12.h4 white has enough compensation. after 9.h4 h6(h5) these two moves are roughly the same worth in my estimation namely black is just horribly lost. 10.B:b7 just wins. At Thaler's level it is still possible to make these sorts of errors I suppose.> At Thaler's level? Believe it or not: at the moment of this game Thaler was rated 1985! Sloan had 1925... |
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| Nov-04-06 |
| onesax: I cannot believe that not only would a 1985 player miss the win here, but a 1925 player would play straight into a loss like this to begin with!! I myself as a 1700-odd player occasionally get stung by the odd opening trap, almost always in lightning/blitz etc (was this a blitz game?) because I know very little opening theory, but surely I thought that the Damiano was common knowledge that 3. Nxe5 fxe? is an easy win for White for all players say 1300+ (though it's fun when you can spring it on an unsuspecting 1000 rated player as I did several months ago :)) I'm guessing that Thaler simply muddled his move order by not playing h4! first, that's still no excuse for Sloan to pull this opening out of the closet where it SO belongs: locked, chained and throw away the key. |
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Nov-04-06
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| alexmagnus: <onesax> Sloan plays the Damiano with fxe5 quite often. The weird thing is, he wins... As he once wrote on another forum something like this (not exact quotation": "after 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Nc6 11.Bxc6 Rb8 12.Qxa7 most analysts stop and say white wins just because he is five pawns up. Theoretically, I agree, a computer would win this position easily. But not a human. By losing five pawns black opened al the files and has an active piece play. Where, for example, will black castle?On the kingside the h4 pawn exposes the king to mate, in the center it's never safe and the queenside is still undeveloped. I'm ready to play the Damiano (with 3...fxe5) against anybody rated below 2100". The interesting thing: in the next black game the game started 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 and the white player (rated about 2200) played 3.Nc3.....After 3...Bc5 white cannot take the pawn. |
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Nov-04-06
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| alexmagnus: will white castle in my previous post. |
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Nov-24-06
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| Jonathan Sarfati: <alexmagnus>, I've commented on thise line at Ruy Lopez vs Leonardo di Bona, 1560 It just seems abysmal for Black. Even in the line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 3.Nc3 Bc5, white can play 4. d4 with a fantastic version of the Scotch. |
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| Mar-24-07 |
| Robert De Leon Jr.: <alexmagnus>, <Sloan plays the Damiano with fxe5 quite often. The weird thing is, he wins... As he once wrote on another forum something like this (not exact quotation": "after 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Nc6 11.Bxc6 Rb8 12.Qxa7 most analysts stop and say white wins just because he is five pawns up.> CITATION NEEDED!! <Theoretically, I agree, a computer would win this position easily. But not a human.> PROVE IT!! <By losing five pawns black opened al the files and has an active piece play. Where, for example, will black castle?On the kingside the h4 pawn exposes the king to mate, in the center it's never safe and the queenside is still undeveloped. will white castle in my previous post.> I'M PRETTY SURE I ALREADY STATED THIS, BUT I GUESS PLAIGARISM IS NOT IN YOUR VOCABULARY. <I'm ready to play the Damiano (with 3...fxe5) against anybody rated below 2100".> WHERE AND WHEN!?!? <The interesting thing: in the next black game the game started 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 and the white player (rated about 2200) played 3.Nc3.....After 3...Bc5 white cannot take the pawn.> ANOTHER CITATION NEEDED!! As the old saying goes: LOOK before you LEAP, and THINK before YOU SPEAK (or in this case before you write). I really don't mean to get upset, but it really bugs me when dumb, ignorant people like yourself think these second rate, half-baked openings can give you success at ANY LEVEL of play. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard < I'm ready to play the Damiano (with 3...fxe5) against anybody> and actually pull a rabbit out of their butt, (or in this case what you seem to believe is a winable game for black) I Could Actually Live off Chess like all the other "European Grandmasters with thier government subsidies and what not that sit on thier butt and play all day!" That is a quote from Samuel L. Jackson in the movie FRESH. A movie that I would HIGHLY recommend YOU and EVERYONE who has ever played chess should watch. Hopefully if you do, "CHUKIE" or is it "CHUKD" or "CHUKTHE," (Yes <alexmagnus> I'm refering to you), you can better understand where I'm coming from. For anyone wondering why I called <alexmagnus> that (it is an inside joke), and if you watch the movie FRESH you'll understand what I meant. But seriously, If you are up for that BOLD STATEMENT and THINK that YOU can BACK IT UP, "I'm Your Huckleberry" another quote from a very good movie called TOMBSTONE. Yes, that's another inside joke for those of you wondering. So with that said, ANYPLACE, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE I will play you to your word (If it is really worth anything!?) that you can win this opening. Any Thoughts...
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| Aug-28-07 |
| Schluppy: <Robert De Leon Jr.> I'm forced to ask, this is just kibitzing on a game, why should he cite everything he states? Plus Sam Sloan is a very large advocate of Diamano Defense. I will back up Alexmagnus by saying that all his information is very valid. Take a look at Tim McGrew's Gambit Cartel Article #11 from www.chesscafe.com and you will have your answers. In addition to that, quit being such a schmuck. |
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| Aug-28-07 |
| Schluppy: Haha, just realized how long ago that was posted! |
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| Aug-28-07 |
| MaxxLange: behold the power of CAPS LOCK |
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Aug-28-07
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| whiteshark: Sloan is to the Damiano what Bloodgood is to the Grob - simply a confession of failure. |
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| Nov-22-07 |
| qskakaley: I'm just curious, why can't black simply reply 8...Bxb7? I assume that there is some mating attack that I can't find. Could someone please provide the line... |
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Nov-22-07
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| crafty: 8... xb7 9.  f5+  h6 10. d3+ g5 11. h4 g7 12. e5+  (eval 0.67; depth 11 ply; 500M nodes) |
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| Nov-23-07 |
| qskakaley: thanks <crafty>! |
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| Mar-01-08 |
| jovack: white = bad |
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Jun-12-08
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| whiteshark: "Play it again, Sam!" |
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Jul-08-08
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| alexmagnus: Sam actually once bet that he'll win a 5-game-match with the black side of Damiano (with 3...fxe5) against anybody below 2100. One player took his challenge but AFAIK the match didn't take place. Here, btw, white was rated 1985. |
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Aug-11-08
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| whiteshark: <Opening of the Day: <Damiano Defence>> Opening Explorer
Only 2 wins by Black - guess who was it in both games. :D |
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Sep-06-08
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| SetNoEscapeOn: Despite the fact that it has several competitors, the post on this game by <Robert De Leon Jr.> responding to <alexmagnus> is probably the most bizarre post I have ever read on chessgames.com. It is all the more baffling because after the insane indignation, he mentions Fresh, which is indeed an excellent film that I would recommend to anyone, chess player or not. It is strange and ironic that both the movie and the post contain the same vital lesson: crack kills. |
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| Sep-07-08 |
| drukenknight: I have to say there are far more bizarre posts on this site then his, some of them belong to me I am sad to say.. |
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Feb-18-09
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| TheaN: <Robert De Leon Jr.> What the hell was that for kind of post? <alexmagnus> is quite a well-respected kibitzer and simply quoted Sloan. If you wanted to find out whether he is speaking the truth or not, you could have looked it up first yourself, instead of this bizarre, caps-full post. Or at least ASK, compared to your screaming... About the game, and with that about Sloan's ability to win from all players <2100 with the fxe5 variation... okay, good enough, I'm ~1750. Give me White on, lets say, move 8 or so from this game, D Aldrich vs S Sloan, 2007, and I'll be sure I'll win that easily. |
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Mar-26-09
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| MichaelJHuman: I know someone mentioned it, but this does remind me of Bloodgood, and the Grob opening. But I suspect Sloan is much better than Bloodgood. Of course we don't really know what Bloodgood's real rating would be. Anyway, I am a total patzer, and entertained by wins from supposedly bad openings. Why shouldn't life contain these little surprises? Makes chess more interesting, IMO |
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| May-10-09 |
| Robert De Leon Jr.: to <alexmagnus>, So that these ppl can get a life and stop commenting on this page. I'm sorry if i sounded like a raving loon, had a rough time coping with my grandmothers death n looking 4 any reason to blow my lid. |
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May-10-09
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| IMlday: After 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Nc6 11.Bxc6 Rb8 12.Qxa7 play might proceed Rb6 13.Ba4 Qf6 14.Nc3 Ne7 15.d3 Rf8 16.h5+ (?!) Kh7 17.Be3 Rxb2 18.Bd4 Qg5 19.g3 Rb7 20.Qa8 Bc5 21.Bxc5 Qxc5 22.0-0 Ra7 23.Qb8 Rb7 24.Qa8 draw.
3.Bc4 is certainly more edge with less risk. |
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| Aug-28-09 |
| TheTamale: <Robert De Leon Jr.> Sorry to hear about your grandmother, mate! Think of it this way: better to blow off steam with a bizarre chess rant than through road rage or something like that... |
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| Nov-15-09 |
| Qb6: 1. e4 e5 2.  f3 f6? 3. xe5! fxe5? 4. h5+ e7 5. xe5+ f7 6. c4+ d5! 7. xd5+ g6 and now 8. h4! is a forced win for White. 8. ... h6!? 9. xb7!! Taking the bishop is fatal because of 10. f5# 9. ... d6! 10. a5! Black still can't grab the bishop because of 11. f5# 10. ... c6! 11. xc6  b8 12. xa7 picks off five pawns and with such a huge material disadvantage, Black can resign with a clear conscience. 8. xb7? here pretty much threw the win away because after 8. ... d6 there's no time for 9. a5 etc. because Black can easily win back the material: two minor pieces for five pawns, more than enough compensation. I guess the main value of playing the Damiano is surprise value - the old Greco line, 3. xe5! fxe5? 4. h5+ e7 5. xe5+ f7 6. c4+ g6?? 6. ... d5! would put up stiffer resistance but also loses quickly 7. f5+ as the c8- doesn't cover the f5 square 7. ... h6 8. d4+ g5 9. h4 g7 10. f7+ h6 11. hxg5#. Only 3. ... e7 is working, see Schiffers vs Chigorin, 1897: Black missed a forced mate with 22. ... h1+!! 23. xh1 h2+! 24. xh2 h8+! 25. h6 xh6+ 27. g3 f5+ 28. f4 h4#. |
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