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Zappa (Computer) vs Jaan Ehlvest
"The Mothers of Invention" (game of the day Apr-25-09)
Ehlvest - Zappa Match 2005  ·  Sicilian Defense: Kan. Polugaevsky Variation (B42)  ·  1-0


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Sep-18-06   monad: Has anyone been able to explain why White wastes 2 tempi whilst Black develops 2 Pawns?

Move 7.Qg4, followed by 8.Qe2, eliciting two useful pawn moves for Black: g6 plus d6 (which move we are at present taking for granted).

I know we have done the same thing in the WvN game, and so have many others, but looking at it objectively and from a developing point of view, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'd welcome a sensible explanation, or a link to what has already been said on this subject.

Sep-18-06
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  Domdaniel: <Monad> The pawn moves ...g6 and ...d6 aren't developing moves, at least as I understand the term. Pieces are developed - pawn moves go to make up a pawn structure.

Here, the two black pawn moves also create weaknesses, or potential weaknesses. I agree that ...g6 looks pretty solid, but it has long-term disadvantages that can be exploited. I hope.

Sep-19-06   monad: <Domdaniel: >

Thanks for your reply.

However, it is not a totally convincing argument, is it? OK, let's not quibble over terminology: developing moves they are in as far as they create space for the pieces behind them.

I see no obvious weakness in either pawn move from Black and apparently in a Sicilian the final pawnstructure for an endgame is decided much later than in most other openings. (Not until towards the end of the middle game) So 'they' say. :-) So that may not have been the motive for those moves.

To me it seems that either side would have liked to say "Pass" and instead White made an empty move and Black gains some space. Still as much of a riddle as before. Was this maybe a universally engine generated move?

It did not appear until 1994, and then not frequently until 2003, in other words, well into the age of engine assisted home preparation.

Apr-25-09   schroedingers cat: Wasn't this pun already used before?
Apr-25-09
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  whiteshark: "It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner."

Frank Zappa

Apr-25-09
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  Open Defence: so it looks like Ehlvest was tied to the <Whipping Post>
Apr-25-09
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: I thought "Whipping Post" was an Allman Brothers Band song.
Apr-25-09
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  Open Defence: yes, indeed it was, but Zappa did a nice cover of it
Apr-25-09
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: <Open Defense>, you have piqued my interest. I shall go looking for it.
Apr-25-09
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  Open Defence: <An Englishman> enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TIt...
Apr-25-09
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  kevin86: Did I miss spnething at the end?

What if black replies

53...Qxe6 54 Rxd7+ Kh8.

I think white can draw with luck-but not win.

Apr-25-09
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  kevin86: Ok-I see it now-I missed the true effect of the knight's gobbling skillz.

53...Qxe6 54 Ng5+ Kg8 55 Nxe6 and the knight nOW protects the rook at e4

Apr-25-09
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  ToTheDeath: Even her boots?
Apr-25-09   WhiteRook48: left the building again?
Apr-25-09   offramp: <Premium Chessgames Member ToTheDeath: Even her boots?>

"...Would I lie to you!?

Well you must have been hungry!

Yes. this is true!..."

A great verse!

Apr-25-09   mindkontrolle: humans haven't improved their hardware in the last million years? right, sure. firstly, computers are extensions of the human brain. but never mind that, what about the neo-cortex complexity of connection which shattered the evolutionary trend and gave rise to language and the dialogue of consciousness 100,000 to 30,000 years ago? by the way, once chess players start upgrading their brains with axiomatic chip implants, they will play much better...
Apr-25-09   Sydro: <schroedingers cat: Wasn't this pun already used before?> Rybka vs Zappa, 2007
Apr-25-09   Bobwhoosta: You're making the assumption that evolution happened mindkontrolle.

A serious assumption.

Apr-25-09
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  ToTheDeath: No more an assumption than saying the sky is blue or water freezes below 32 degrees Fahrenheit. Evolution is a scientific fact.
Apr-25-09   Bobwhoosta: <ToTheDeath>

Actually, it's a case of looking at the world through Uniformitarian assumptions, and finding what you started out to see.

Apr-25-09   Bobwhoosta: <monad>

White does not waste a move there because by forcing the pawn to g6 he is in effect taking only one move to get to e2, a useful developing move in this position.

You cannot call 'g6' a developing move, however, as it does not help any piece to develop. The pawn move actually loses more space than it gains, because now the h6 and f6 squares are subject to attack, and only the h5 square has been picked up.

A developing pawn move would be d6, as it allows the bishop to move, which contributes to the overall piece development on the queenside. Also, g6 would be a developing move if the bishop were still on f8.

Hope this helps.

Apr-25-09
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  ToTheDeath: <Bobwhoosta:> you don't need to make any radical assumptions to see human DNA is 98% identical to chimpanzee. But you're right that there is an assumption in what conclusion you draw from that.
Apr-26-09   Dr. J: <Bobwhoosta> Stop it!! <ToTheDeath> made a scientific reference, and you are turning it into an argument about religion. That is not appropriate.
Apr-26-09   Dr. J: Why 50 ... Rd7 and not 50 ... Re7?
Apr-26-09
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  HeMateMe: Weasels Ripped My Pawn Structure
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