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|Mar-27-06|| ||offramp: A very interesting game, in an Andy Warhol-like way. It is similar to Petrosian vs A Matanovic, 1959.|
|Apr-14-06|| ||Fast Gun: Phew !! A monster of an endgame that for a large part was rather boring and dull, however the game thankfully did come to life and became interesting:
Move 179. White played Kd3, this looks weak to me, how about this line ?|
179. Nf4 Kxa4
180. Nd3 Ka3
181. Nxc5 would surely have drawn, or have I missed something?
|Apr-14-06|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Fast Gun> After 179 Nf4 Kxc4 I think black would have won anyway.|
|Jun-18-06|| ||Fast Gun: To Gregor Samsa Mendel
Thanks for your comments, good to know that others are prepared to have a closer look with analysis and sensible comments. However upon closer inspection 179.Nf4, your suggestion Kxa4 and black would have won anyway just falls short.
For example after 179. Kxc4 white replies Ne6 with enough counterplay against the black pawns to hold the draw, in some lines white can sacrifice the knight for the c&d pawns
leaving black with a lone rook pawn that will not be enough to win.
179. Nf4 Kxa4
180. Nd3 Kb3
181. Nxc5+ Kxe4
182. Na4 should be enough to hold !!
I still stand by my earlier comment that white could have drawn the game with Nf4 instead of Kd3?? However if my analysis contains a flaw then by all means show me, I find these type of positions interesting and not always as simple as they first to be !!
|Jul-15-06|| ||capablancakarpov: <Fast Gun> I have analized it and you are right, after 179. Nf4 Kxc4 180. Ne6 is a dead draw, i tried all variants but black hasnīt nothing. So black best chance after 179. Nf4 was Kxa4 180. Nd3 Kb2 181. Nxc5+ Kxe4 182. Na4 were white has a lost position at a first look, but has a wonderful trick to avoid the loss:|
187.Nb4+ Kb3 (white seems lost, but..)
188.Nd3(that is the trick, now if a2, 189.Nc1+ Kb2 190.Nxa2 and draw) Kc3
190.Na2( Nd3 also draws after a2 191.Nb4+ Kb2 192.Nxa2) Kb2
193.Nc1+ Kc2 and draw (same position that after move 189th)
|Jul-20-06|| ||Fast Gun: To capablancakarpov: A fascinating piece of analysis, you have clearly carried the analysis further than I did, however when it has all been finally "boiled down" the position is still a draw, although white must play accurately and tread carefully in order to achieve the draw: The knight is such a tricky piece to work with, but even here it can display it's full range of powers!!|
|Jul-21-06|| ||kevin86: A unique situation existed between moves 101 and 104-as neither player moved a pawn,made a capture,or changed his castling status-since move 51,either could have claimed a fifty move draw! With all 16 pawns on the board!!|
|Jul-21-06|| ||Phony Benoni: <kevin86> Not quite. White played 82.a4.|
|Jul-22-06|| ||kevin86: <Phony Benoni>You are correct,thanks.|
|Aug-03-06|| ||kevinatcausa: After move 104 there were still 16 pawns on the board. Is this a record?|
|Aug-04-07|| ||alexandrovm: <norami: Oh, no! Instead of playing his 200th move he resigned! Why didn't he play one more move? There's never been a decisive 200 move game in all human history!> lol!|
|Jan-21-08|| ||OBIT: Apparently even World champions get fatigued. 167...Bc2 seems to put White in zugzwang, forcing the win of a pawn. However, Black can still draw quickly by 168. Nf3 Bxb3 169. Nxd4+! cxd4 170. Kxd4 and draws because the bishop is the wrong color for the rook pawn.|
|Jan-21-08|| ||aazqua: White isn't losing at all. He has the beautiful nf3 and after b*p n*p p*n k*n the white king just runs to the corner as black has the wrong color bishop. Of course black can play b*p instead but then white moves the knight and forces the trade of the c5 pawn and either the king of the knight will stop the a pawn. White's loss here is pretty pathetic.|
Anyway, white play at the end was horrible, maybe time problems. After 160.Ke2 is a dead draw, but he was a pawn up and playing offensive all the game, so he tried to win at all cost. Then the black bishop entered at c2 and suddenly white was losing.
|Jan-21-08|| ||OBIT: Also, 179. Kd3 still seems okay to me. However, after 179...Kxa4, I think the best way for White to draw is to get his king and knight into a blockading position, even if it means giving up his last pawn. The idea is: 180. Kc2 Kb4 181. Nf4 Kxc4 182. Nd3 a4 183. Nc1. Now both the king and knight are well-placed to stop Black's three pawns. The key continuation is 183...a3 184. Na2 d3+ 185. Kd2 Kb3 186. Nc1+ Kb2 187. Nxd3+ Kb1 188. Nxc5 a2 (or 188...Kb2 189. Nb3! anyway, since 189...Kxb3 190. Kc1 is drawn) 189. Nb3 Kb2 190. Na1! and draws.
Going back to move 183, Black can also try outflanking White on the kingside by 183...Kd5 184. Kd3 c4+ 185. Kd2 a3 186. Na2 Ke4 187. Nc1, but now (a) 187...d3 188. Na2 keeps the blockade by shuttling the knight between a2 and c3, while (b) 187...c3+ 188. Kc2 Ke3 189. Na2 d3+ (or 189...Ke2 190. Nxc3+! draws) 190. Kxc3 d2 (or 190...Ke2 191. Kb3 d2 192. Nc3 draws) 191. Kc2 Ke2 192. Nc3+ Ke1 193. Kb3 and draws|
|Jan-14-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Petrosian must have been frustrated that he played so long and then lost.|
|Jan-16-09|| ||WhiteRook48: maybe white didn't know that it was the 200th move.|
|Jan-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: his name sounded so like the former champion|
|Jan-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: ha ha "bishop sac: 175" looks funny|
|Feb-06-09|| ||number 23 NBer: These guys averaged 115 moves per game against each other. WoW.|
|Feb-07-09|| ||WhiteRook48: white should have drawn earlier by playing into the 50 move rule|
|Feb-14-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Why didn't White play 200. Kf3?|
|Apr-17-09|| ||sheaf: logically speaking, the game should have ended 1/2-1/2 on move 29, the position is closed, and either side can only pretend to make progress..in fact, this game probably holds the record for the maximum number of useless moves..43.Bb2 was obviously bad allowed black to exchange knights..and of course if the position opens up white can not be better since black controls the only semi-open file and has bishop pair...so whites over ambitious moves are questionable..|
|Jan-06-11|| ||Raisin Death Ray: Of course white lost, HE'S DEAD! :)|
|Apr-20-12|| ||rookending: 193. ... Kc3 only draws if white plays 194. Nf1 (Nalimov draw, more here http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=...) But Black wins after 194. ... c4 (Nalimov)|
|Mar-27-13|| ||The Last Straw: White was not the word champion, Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian was the former world champion. And the white player is currently still alive.|
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