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Evgeny Tomashevsky vs Vladimir Kramnik
Russian Championship Superfinal (2005), Moscow RUS, rd 5, Dec-23
Reti Opening: General (A09)  ·  0-1
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Dec-23-05  PinkPanther: <csmath>
It's hard to always live up to what's expected of you. Just give Kramnik his damn due

And no, to whomever said it, 41.Re5 does NOT win. In fact, white had been on the losing side of things for a while by that point.

Dec-23-05  WillC21: <csmath> Can white play 25.Bg7?
Dec-23-05  aw1988: Looking at this game again, I see just how incredibly deep it really is. One should sense White is worse, yes, but this hardly works in professional chess; you have to prove it. In any case, White certainly does have threats, but Kramnik shuts all of them down to win with his flexibility. The change to 1. Nf3 and ...c6 is noted. I wonder if this is what is really making a difference. He never did too well with the Najdorf...
Dec-23-05  WillC21: I see you deleted your last post. I guess it not being legal moves incentivized you to do so :)
Dec-23-05  csmath: I am sorry but this is the game I have and it is here on this database, I'll repeat once more:

26. Bg7 ... Rf7

27. Nc3 ... Rxg7

28. hxg7 ... Qxg7

29. Ra1 ... Bb4

30. Na2 ... Ba3

Also Kramnik's confusing parade with his king on e8 was unwarranted as Tomashevsky made a mess that could have been easily punished with this simple idea:

21. ... Nf7

22. Bg7 ... Rfe8

with e5 to follow and white is in a deep trouble.

Dec-23-05  csmath: <I see you deleted your last post. I guess it not being legal moves incentivized you to do so :)>

No snoopdogg almost confused me. He is the one confused, my line was correct the first time.

Dec-23-05  aw1988: Calm down, people, or I'll have to delete my own posts just to keep up.
Dec-23-05  PinkPanther: It would be awesome to see Kramnik go back to his openings of old (1.d4 and the Slav/Semi Slav against 1.d4).
Dec-23-05  aw1988: I think he is.
Dec-23-05  SnoopDogg: <No snoopdogg almost confused me. He is the one confused, my line was correct the first time.>

Correct? What the hell does this have do with it? You line drops a piece and gives incoherent moves for black all at once. So why did you give up the exchange for black and why do you insist on playing Nc3?

PS The line <26. Bg7 ... Rf7

27. Nc3 ... Rxg7

28. hxg7 ... Qxg7

29. Ra1 ... Bb4 >

is still illegal considering there is a pawn on b4. But this position is as far as your line let's it go.


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Then you say Bb4 and I'm totally lost on what your trying to say. Either post some plans or LEGAL lines or just stick with my anaylsis of the position.

Dec-23-05  Hesam7: <SnoopDogg> Black plays b4 on move 26.
Dec-23-05  csmath: <is still illegal considering there is a pawn on b4.>

Please check the game, it is here, on this very database. You are wrong and what I posted as a line is accurate.

In fact the longer I analyzed the more sure I am that it was almost a forced draw. Kramnik has not played accurate either since he missed a clean cut (and very simple) winning advantage on the move 21.

I gather they both had pretty little time on the clock given the fact that Tomashevsky truly created a nice mess in the opening.

Dec-23-05  Aseem: 1.Nf3 against Kramnik himself, its like playing najdorf against Kasparov
Dec-24-05  OneArmedScissor: Good win for Kramnik!
Dec-24-05  alicefujimori: I don't think <csmath>'s 27.Nc3 Rxg7 is quite correct. After 26.Bg7 Rf7 27.Nc3, Black has the powerful 27...c4! when 28.bxc4 bxc4 29.Ra1 Bb4 I would prefer Black's position.

So White could maybe try 27.Ne5 instead. Example: 27...Bxg2 28.Qxg2 Nxe5 29.Bxe5 Nb7 30.Ra1 Qd7 31.Rfd1 Nd8 32.Nc3 Bb4 and there are still a lot to fight for.

Dec-24-05  Karpova: i like this game very much!
some people should take time to think before they post "analyses" - but what do you expect from fanatical Kramnik bashers?

anyway, <alicefujimori>, your collection on kramnik is the most unbiased game collection i've ever seen.

Dec-24-05  csmath: <Black has the powerful 27...c4! when 28.bxc4 bxc4 29.Ra1 Bb4 I would prefer Black's position.> I strongly disagree here.

27. ... c4?!

28. bxc4 ... bxc4

and now not 29. Ra1 but

29. Qa4 ... Bb4

30. Ne5 ... Bxc3

(Bxg2 leads to the same position later on)

31. Nxf7 ... Kxf7

32. Bxc3

white is the one slightly better here though the result would still have to be draw I guess but less certain than the line I proposed above.

Dec-24-05  twinlark: This looks like fun. Who's handing out the Kool Aid?
Dec-24-05  csmath: <This looks like fun. Who's handing out the Kool Aid?>

Frankly it is more of a chore. I'll get a cup of tea though, not a bad idea.

Dec-24-05  bane77: Kramnik was lucky. His move 27...Kf7 is in opposition with every chess logic. Moving king to safety, and then moving king back to unsafe diagonal a1-h8 is nonsense. He should prepare pawn breakthrough on queenside instead. Also 29...Bd5 and then 30...Bxg2 is a loss of tempo. Then he covers the a1-h8 diagonal with e5 pawn?! I don't know how did he won this game. I think every experienced GM would punish him. White didn't find the right plan. He should try with sacrificing his knight on h5, bringing rooks to h1 and g1 and moving his king side pawns.
Dec-24-05
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  Pawn and Two: If at move 41. R-d5, Fritz 9 suggests the following:

Fritz first calculated in favor of 41. Qe7-b4, then considered either Rf-e8 or Rf8-d8. Later on Fritz liked a5-a4. All of these moves favoring Black. Finally at 20 ply depth Fritz opted for 41. Rf-d8. Black was favored by (-1.15).

Fritz suggested the following line: 41. Rf8-d8 42. Rf6xf7 Qe7xf7 43. Qb3xc4 Qf7xd5 45. e4xd5 Rc8-c1 46. Ba1-d4 a3-a2. Black seems to be clearly winning the final position.

Then after making the move 41. Rf8-d8, I let Fritz calculate to ply 19 before making White's move. Now Fritz suggested the better appearing 42. Qb3-c3. Fritz rated this position as favoring Black (-1.35).

After 42. Qb3-c3, Fritz gave the following line: Nc4-e5 43. Rd5xd8+ Qe7xd8 44. Qc3xa3 Rc8-c2+ 45. Rf6-f2 Rc2xf2+ 46. Kg2xf2 Qd8-d2+. With the threat of Ne5-g4 to follow, Black appears to be winning this position also.

Dec-26-05  Conde de Montecristo: Why this game is not in any <acirce> collection of his idol masterpieces???
Feb-10-06  alexandrovm: Kramnik played well this game. To have the time to castle and uncastle and castle again, then winning with two advanced pawns, nice finishing off by Vladimir over a good player.
Feb-10-06
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  Jim Bartle: "To have the time to castle and uncastle and castle again,..." At first I thought, Oh no, another one of those guys here...Then I looked at the game, and the description is perfect.
Feb-10-06  alexandrovm: <...Then I looked at the game, and the description is perfect.> thanks my friend...
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