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|Mar-26-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 24...Qh1+! and mate in a few. (No matter what White does.)|
My only question: "Who is Sala?" (He must have been a pretty good player to have crushed Lasker in such grand fashion.) I am even wondering if they got the colors reversed ... in other words, it looks more like Lasker playing Black ...
|Mar-26-12|| ||stst: miss yesterday,
now easy Monday, Q-sac works again!
IF (A)25.Kxh1 Rxf1#
IF (B)25.Kf2 Qf3+
|Mar-26-12|| ||agb2002: Black is a pawn down.
White threatens 25.Rxd1 and 25.gxh4.
The king protects the rook on f1. Therefore, 24... Qh1+ 25.Kf2 (25.Kxh1 Rxf1#) 25... Qf3+ and mate next.
|Mar-26-12|| ||stst: <it looks more like Lasker playing Black ..>|
Yeah, but hopes CG makes no mistakes, but Lasker did.
|Mar-26-12|| ||backrank: I've had similar thoughts when looking at today's puzzle ... but it was a simultaneous game, and Lasker wasn't particularly good at simuls, maybe he didn't take them very serious.|
Here's another example for a simul loss by Lasker, where an unknown played extremely well:
Lasker vs M V Behnisch, 1912
|Mar-26-12|| ||Julian713: 24...Qh1
Interesting opening by Black. It looks for all intents and purposes like White's end of the Sicilian, Yugoslav Attack (with the DSB eyeing down the king).
|Mar-26-12|| ||karik: 23...Qh1 would have been quicker...|
|Mar-26-12|| ||sevenseaman: Valery Salov vs Anatoli Karpov, Alma-Ata, 1995.
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Black to play and mate in 5.
|Mar-26-12|| ||kevin86: Funny,Mr Sala conquered the good doctor without his best move:go back a move before the problem and play Qh1+. This time the sac cannot be refused and when followed by Rd1+,mate follows next move.|
It was a simult ex. game,so the loss was just anecdotal.
|Mar-26-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <sevenseaman> 1... g3+ 2. Kh1 Nf2+ 3. Kg1 Nxh3+ 4. Kh1 (4. Kf1 Qf2#) 4...Qg1+ 5. Nxg1 Nf2#|
|Mar-26-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <kevin86> Yes, <al-wazir> also pointed that out earlier.|
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Black could have played <23...Qh1+> rathan <23...Rd1+>. Which makes me think Lasker was White. He did take Black at times in simuls, but he wouldn't have missed that. Good theater, you know.
I don't have the numbers to check this, but I'll bet Lasker's percentage in simuls was lower than, say, Capablanca's. The occasional brilliancy pops up, and there are an awful lot of draws and losses to children and women.
Which may all be a gesture of showmanship. Say you have a choice: play Capablanca in a simul with a 99% chance of being mowed down boringly and efficiently, or play Lasker with an interesting game in prospect and even a slight chance of winning? I'd play Lasker myself, and he may well have counted on that to bring the crowds back.
|Mar-26-12|| ||sevenseaman: <LTJ> Thats correctly done.|
|Mar-26-12|| ||benveniste: It's worth nothing that Lasker was 16 or 17 when this game took place.|
|Mar-26-12|| ||vasja: I looked at more conventional
25 Kxf1 Qh1+
26 Kf2 Qg2+
27 Ke1 Nf3+
28 Kd1 Qf1#
and stopped looking further. I consider puzzle solved
|Mar-26-12|| ||King Death: < benveniste: It's worth nothing that Lasker was 16 or 17 when this game took place.>|
Since he was born in 1868 I think you're way off here. If you try adding 16 and 17 that number works a little better.
|Mar-26-12|| ||AylerKupp: <gangstaman>, <Isolated Pawn>. Houdini 1.5a at d=26 calculates that best play by both sides after 23.Kxf2 is 23....Qg2+ 24.Ke1 Nf3+ 25.Rxf3 Qxf3 26.Bf4 Qh1+ 27.Ke2 Qxh2+ 28.Kxd3 Qxb2. No mate but with queen for knight Black has a won game, particularly since Black's queen can pick up all of White's q-side pawns. White does have one last spite check since Houdini then suggests 29.Rd1 Qxa2 30.Ke3+. I wonder how many points Houdini's evaluation function gives for a spite check? :-)|
|Mar-26-12|| ||AylerKupp: <der623> White doesn't lose his queen on 23.Qxf2 since after 23...Nf3+ he's not required to play 24.Kg2 but can play 23.Kg1. Then if 23...Ng5+ White can block the check with 24.Qg2 and Black, a rook down, is probably lost.|
But 23.Qxf2 is White's relatively best choice since the best that Black can do is win the exchange: 23.Qxf2 Nf3+ 24.Kh1 (or 24..Kg2) 24...Nd2+ 25.Kg1 Nxf1 26.Qxf1.
Houdini 1.5a then suggests the following interesting continuation as best play by both sides ([-1.41], d=26): 26...Qc5+ 27.Kh1 Kc8 (temporarily giving up a rook) 28.Qxd3 Qxe5 29.Bb2 (if 29.Rb1 then 29....Bf5 recovering the rook, all other moves allow 29...Qxa1) 29...Qxb2 30.Qf1 Rd8 31.Ne4 Bg4 32.Re1 Qxa2 33.Nc5 Qd2 34.Kg1 a5 35.Ne4 Qd4+ 36.Qf2 Bd1 37.Qxd4 Rxd4 38.Re3 a4 (38...Bxb3 is better, [-3.39], d=23 when sliding forward) 39.bxa4 Bxa4 40.Nc3 Bc6 41.Nb5 Rxc4 42.Na7+ Kd7 43.Rd3+ Ke6 44.Nxc6 Rxc6 45.Re3+ Kd7 46.Rb3 Rc1+ 47.Kf2 Rc2+ 48.Ke3 Kc6 49.h4 b5 50.Ra3 Kc5 51.Ra7 Rc3+ 52.Ke4 which should be a win for Black.
So White is still lost after 23.Qxf2, particularly after 38...Bxb3, but it takes a while. And, given that this was a simul, 23.Qxf2 was Lasker's best practical chance since Black could very likely make a mistake later on.
|Mar-26-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <benveniste> You seem to be thinking of Edward Lasker.|
|Mar-26-12|| ||BlackSheep: Today's puzzle is a far cry from yesterdays million move fiasco .|
|Mar-26-12|| ||Marmot PFL: It was hard to believe that Lasker played some of those moves. Just shows that anyone can have a bad day. I wouldn't say that black did anything special except take advantage of white's awful play.|
|Mar-26-12|| ||Phony Benoni: Got a citation for the game, from the 1901 volume of <Deutsche Schachzeitung>, p. 306:|
The location is given as Davenport, [Indiana], which we might assume is actually Iowa. E. M. Sala turns out to be a doctor, so maybe this was a professional courtesy.
Somebody else can bother with the notes.
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|Mar-26-12|| ||David2009: Well, sooner or later I was going to fail to solve a Monday problem (on Mondays, I work out the solution mentally without writing it out in Notepad). Today is the day. I chose the (losing?) 24.Qc5+ line.|
Here's a Crafty EGT interactive link to the colours reversed position to try out alternatives: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
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(Lasker vs E M Sala simul 1901, finish colours reversed).
Regarding the game: not even World Champions have the right to move the same piece twice in the opening, and to do this not once but twice.
Interesting comments from <Phony Benoni> Lasker vs E M Sala, 1901
|Mar-27-12|| ||morfishine: "Oh...Sala Bin Maten"|
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