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|Sep-09-11|| ||Sastre: <indoknight: is black still attacking if white move ( 27.Rc1! )? why? give me the reason please!>|
If 27.Rc1, 27...Rxa3 28.bxa3 Qxa3 29.Rxc4 Qa2+ 30.Kc1 b2+ 31.Kd1 b1Q+ 32.Rc1 Rxc1+ 33.Bxc1 Qac2+ 34.Ke1 Qbxc1#.
|Oct-12-11|| ||arjunkakar: "rambo" Anand :-)|
|Oct-25-11|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: Great Anand !!|
|Oct-25-11|| ||voyager39: 24...Nc7 is indeed an amazing move, fact that it was found OTB makes it even more awesome. This also incidently figures as the #2 Best Moves of All Time by GM Sam Shankland on Chess dot com...see the link below and replace dot by . (else chessgame doesn't show the link correctly, wonder why?)|
|Oct-26-11|| ||Shams: To say that 24...Nc7 was "found" over the board is technically true but misleads. Vishy knew that his position had a resource (having prepared the line) and he knew that every continuation apart from 24...Nc7 lost. Under such circumstances any of us could "find" the move.|
|Oct-26-11|| ||acirce: I had also thought that Vishy simply "found 24..Nc7 over the board" and that it had nothing to do with preparation. Seems that it was too good to be true.|
|Dec-01-11|| ||Penguincw: Interesting move. 31.f8=+
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|Jan-30-12|| ||cjgone: My favorite game. Very epic.|
|Jan-31-12|| ||voyager39: Well, the great man himself explains in detail that 24...Nc7 was found OTB.|
Even if we believe in the hypothetical scenario that it was home prep, I'd feel very blessed if my prep ran that deep.
|Jan-31-12|| ||Shams: The reader may draw his own conclusions:
<Interviewer>: In that game against Karjakin, was Nc7 found on the board?
<Vishy>: It was. It was found on the board. The funny thing was, when I was analyzing, you had asked about memory earlier, I couldn't remember a thing about it, my analysis. I remember thinking, "Wow, he is charging down this line which is supposed to be good for black". And we got to this position. And he very confidently made the move that I hadn't expected. And I looked for a while, and I have NO move other than Nc7. He has gone Qc3, he is going to take everything. What possible reason could he have? Because Nc7 is the only move, where Black isn't worse. So does he have something? I checked it as long as I could, and I couldn't see it. So I thought: Either I play Nc7 or I resign. So I went Nc7. It was all a bit confusing. I think I even went Nc7 quite fast, by elimination there is nothing else. And then he was really surprised.
|Apr-29-12|| ||rilkefan: This is so famous that even I remembered the continuation.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||deepfluke: This is an impossible puzzle! Anyone who claims to solve it without knowing this game is a genius!|
|Apr-29-12|| ||brazil chess: What is wrong with 30.Qxf7+ Kg8 31.Bd4...
Any explanatory comments would be appreciated
|Apr-29-12|| ||VincentL: "Insane".
The obvious move is 24.....Rxa3, but I cannot get any subsequent
continuation to work.
It is late and I have to admit defeat.
Letīs see what happened.
|Apr-29-12|| ||VincentL: Nc7. I doubt this move would have entered my head if I had had half an hour to look at the original diagram.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||andrewjsacks: <brazil chess> Following would be Ra1+ and then Qa2+ and mate.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||sevenseaman: White has P extra.
First thoughts: The perennial itch to sac the R at a3(Vishy is rarely that obvious). And a wish that Karjakin's extra P were not at g5 or f5.
Yesterday's arcane Anand makes me nervous even today. Only saving grace today looks to be that perhaps, just perhaps I've seen this game and vaguely fancy Vishy makes a couple of weird sacs(its not the R) to set up the assault with R and the Q.
Now whats it?
Hmmm... <24...Nc7 25. Qxc7 Rc7 26. Qxe7> (who wouldn't, poor Karjakin!) <26...Nc4 27. g6 hxg6 28. fxg6 Nxa3+ 29. bxa3. Ra3 30. gxf7+ Kh7 31. f8=N+ Rxf8>
I think I'll stop here as now I clearly remember the denouement.
Cannot claim any credit for the solution, as even the first two sacs were wild guesses and not reasoned shots.
I rate it as very difficult or even 'insane'. <CG> have gone the limit this weekend.
Yes the game is in my 'sevenseaman's favorite games' though its two years that I saw it.
|Apr-29-12|| ||thegoldenband: I actually considered 24...Nc7 (and 24...Nf6 too), since I figured that a sacrifice to activate the f8-rook was in the offing, and the e8-knight was obviously in the way. But I simply didn't (and don't) have the calculating powers to see much further.|
Generally I don't find moves like Ne8-c7 to be that surprising, since they're very logical and can be found by the process of elimination. What I find more mindblowing are the concepts that I'd never even imagine -- like Anand's play in this game against Ivanchuk, especially 17...gxf6!! and 19...Bc4!!
Ivanchuk vs Anand, 1992
These are moves I find it hard to imagine I'd see even if I spent a solid week studying the position, because I don't have a conceptual framework to imagine them! From Anand's point of view they're entirely logical, but he's one of a bare handful of people capable of seeing that. 24...Nc7, by contrast, makes immediate sense as soon as you see it.
|Apr-29-12|| ||sevenseaman: <"Either I play Nc7 or I resign. So I went Nc7">. |
'It was'. Vishy on being asked 'was Nc7 found on the board?' by an interviewer after the game.
Can it be that clear to anyone? (I could never have thought of it, BTW).
|Apr-29-12|| ||lost in space: pffffff, 0 points for me. I was sure that I have to play Rxa3. I never considered Nc7.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||iamsheaf: Of course Anand was prepared for this line he himself admitted it. But he didn't analyze Nc7 in his preparation.... he just followed the game as it evolved, he knew the position has resources as <Shams> rightly points out....but the fact remains that he realized Nc7 is the only move which doesn't lose therefore the discovery of Nc7 is OTB... Without a doubt nobody has ever played a deeper combination OTB.... even if Process of Elimination and confidence on his preparation partly aided his judgement, the discovery of Nc7 was Over the board... |
Over a decade of being at CG, I haven't seen a stronger move being played ever....
|Apr-29-12|| ||iamsheaf: People prepare for a line and using computers & human judgement come to a conclusion whether the position is playable or not...So if you are confident of your preparation and your opponent deviates from your prepared line then you still keep making logical moves "knowing" well enough that your position must have resources if you haven't blundered already.... Anand knew that he hadn't blundered till move 24, since he played more or less a logical continuation of the line, Nc7 was easier to discover...For without 24..Nc7 position would be like rotten tomatoes, completely squeezed...so had to play an unbelievable move...& he did....|
|Apr-29-12|| ||Once: Well I was thinking along similar lines with 24...Nf6, with the intention of playing Rc8. Same idea, different knight sac.|
Anand's looks to be better. Not that there's any surprise in that.
|Apr-29-12|| ||Limpin Kt: <is this game is included in anand's my best games?> anybody?|
|Apr-29-12|| ||gofer: A few candidates...
Nc4, d5, Rxa3, but to my mind Nc4 seems to draw the white queen away from her protection
role on the a1-h8 diagonal. This might be enough for a win, but its a little trick to see
the continuation without the bits on the board...
Now that I look at it OTB Ne8 seems in a very unnatural position and Ne5 is very nicely
blockading Pe4, so perhaps we can play Nf6! But surely that's where the knight just
came from!? That's pretty puzzling. The point of Nf6 is to get Be7 onto the a1-h8
diagonal AND get Rf8 to b8 or c8 where it can create mayhem depending on whether
white has taken Pb3 or not.
Right idea, but nowhere near! Ne8 has been there since move 13!
I didn't get anywhere near the continuation except that Nc4 Nxa3+ was in there
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