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|Jan-14-06|| ||aw1988: Certainly he has grand accomplishments to come. Bxf7! is classy.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||diction: what if 30..g5, anyone has a computer line/evaluation?|
|Jan-14-06|| ||Eatman: Someone said that computers thought that g5 left black with a better evaluation, but that's computers speaking.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||aw1988: Well, I'd trust the computers on that one.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||diction: well, probably objectively right, but I would still like white in a practical game|
|Jan-14-06|| ||aw1988: Well, an analyses is not a practical game.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||Icyclemort: <diction>
The sac (29. Bxf7?! Kxf7 30. Qf4?!) wasn't accurate.
The refutation is indeed 29. ... Kxf7 30. Qf4?! g5!
(31. Qxd6 Qxd6 32. Rxd6) or
(31. Qf5 Qc6 32. Rc1 Qb7)
which IMO are both drawish (31. Qf5 being better for white)
--> Even if sacking the Bishop, Carlsen could have played 30. Qd5+ afterwards (which looks dead drawish)
30. ... g5! seems to have been missed by both.
30. Bxf7 probably threw away an advantage for a draw in analysis, but over the board it had to be refuted first (and was not).
Of course after 30. ... Ke6? 31. Nxf6 white is winning.
|Jan-14-06|| ||clocked: <Icyclemort> try this... 29.Bxf7! Kxf7 30.Qf4 g5 31.Qf5 Qc6 32.Kh2!|
32... Kg7 33.e5
32... Ke7 33.e5
|Jan-14-06|| ||MoonlitKnight: <clocked> Very nice analysis! It seems that the sac on f7 has some deep points that even the computers failed to see immediately.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||diction: thanks clocked, so it appears that in actual fact it was an excellent and winning sac|
|Jan-14-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <chessgames.com> 37.Rd8+! should make a nice Tuesday puzzle some day.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||Icyclemort: <clocked>
I have analyzed that sac a lot in the last few hours (with my brain and the brilliant Rybka).
I agree with you (now) that Carlsens sac is winning.
Though i still favor a different line:
29.Bxf7! Kxf7 30.Qf4 g5 31. Qf5 Qc6 32. Rc1! Qb7 33. ... Rxd6!
(though a small difference)
|Jan-14-06|| ||Robin01: I did not like black's 13...Bsf3. What if black would have played 13...Bh4? Can anyone say if this would have been better or worse?|
|Jan-14-06|| ||Robin01: That should have been "black's 13...Bxf3"|
|Jan-14-06|| ||Robin01: I mean, why give up the light squared bishop so easily!|
|Jan-15-06|| ||Richard Taylor: This is a great game -Carlsen plays deceptively simply or it appears "simple" -he is a cross between a Capablanca and an Alekhine - my gut feeling is he will be World Champion one day (ok I did read Kasparov thing a lot of his play) - he might even win this tournament if he can have a crack at Topalov etc Maybe Black should have played Nd7 instead of hxg5...|
|Jan-15-06|| ||Benzol: <Richard> Are you going to activate your forum?|
|Jan-17-06|| ||WannaBe: Wait a minute! I paid $22, and I was promised 'Girls gone Wild', not 'Magnus gone Wild'! I demand a refund! =)|
|Jan-17-06|| ||al wazir: What was the purpose of 27. Kg2 ? Was white just waiting for black to make a mistake?|
|Jan-17-06|| ||slavyi: I think the purpose of 27.Kg2 was to support the h pawn. Other wise after 27.....hxg4 28Nxg4, white's h pawn would hang thus there would not be an outpost for the knight and black's king rook would penatrate opening the h file|
|Jan-17-06|| ||al wazir: <slavyi: I think the purpose of 27.Kg2 was to support the h pawn.> Of course. After you point it out it's obvious.|
|Jan-17-06|| ||pwrstick: I'm sorry - can someone please explain how the game would end if play continued?|
|Jan-17-06|| ||jahhaj: <pwrstick> Maybe 37...Rxd8 (37...Kh7 38.Re7+ wins queen) 38.Qxd8+ Kf7 (38...Kg7 or Kh7 39.Re7+ wins queen) 39.Qe8+ Kf6 (39...Kg7 40.Re7+ wins queen) 40.Qe6+ wins rook.|
|Jan-17-06|| ||Richard Taylor: <Benzol> Not yet - I dont think Ihave time - but I played over the Chandler - Wade game again and it's reat effort by Wade (and Murrray) - Bob mustbe about 80 he played like Topalov palyed someone like that! |
I am quite impressed with what they have done in giving reports & some pictures and some games from Queenstown -I also downloaded the pgn of two days play -I suppose the top quarter of the field.
|Jan-17-06|| ||Richard Taylor: <pwrstick> If 37. ... Kh7 38. Rd7+ wins|
If 37. ... Rxd8 38. Qxd8+ Kf7 39. Qe8+ Kf6 40. Re6+ Kg7 41. Rxg3+ Kh7 42. Qg8#
Or 40. ... Kf5 41. Qxg6+ Kf4 42. Rf6+ Ke5 43. Rf5+ ( or Qg5+) Kd4 44. Qd6+ Kc4 45. Rc5#
But <jahaj>'s method also looks winning. With the King in the open theh R and Q can just kick the Black King around and devastate the Black soldiers and eventually execute the King.
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