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|Nov-20-15|| ||paulalbert: Got close but not giving myself credit: Saw after 21. Nf6ch and Knight is taken then 22. Bf6 leads to mate with R on h8; that part easy to see. So what if 21....Kf8. Then 22. Rh8ch Ke7 but I could not visualize clearly what was the exact followup. |
Did not visualize the brilliant 23 Re8ch ! so the R on d1 can deliver the final coup -de-grace on d7.
Although Capa has the greater reputation for being a positional and strategic genius with peerless endgame technique, in fact he was also a brilliant tactician and attacker.
|Nov-20-15|| ||benjaminpugh: My first thought was "White resigns." He has two hanging pieces and is down a queen for a bishop, with no obvious mate. There are only 3 checks available, and for each the checking piece can be immediately captured. Then I saw, oh, this is Capablanca and the parting of the Red Sea became apparent upon Nxf6+.|
I was still curious as to how Capablanca got into that position, so I backed up to the queen sac. Curious, what about 18...d5 instead of 18...Rf7?
|Nov-20-15|| ||Labgrunt: Great puzzle. Am I missing something regarding the <chrisowen> posts? It just seems like jibberish...like it is some kind of code intended to confuse the prison guards?? <chrisowen>...What? Or maybe I should say, "Why?" Do you have a random word generator that just spews these phrases out?? Help me out, guy, because I just can't figure out what you're trying to say. thanks|
|Nov-20-15|| ||Benzol: Capablanca must have forseen the end when he played 17.Qxg6. What wonderful chess vision he possessed.|
|Nov-20-15|| ||kyg16: It's inhuman to combine like this|
|Nov-20-15|| ||BxChess: Several kibbitzers have commented that the queen sacrifice is flawed because of 18...d5. Capablanca is said to have said that sacrifice was `premature'. While 18...d5 might stave off immediate mate, I don't see that it saves the game. |
<CowardlyKnight> gives the line
19 exd5 Na5 as winning for black.
But 20 d6 Nxc4
21 dxe7 wins the queen and forks the rooks
22 exf8Q+ Rxf8 and white is a whole rook up
An alternative try is
19 exd5 Rd6
20 Rh3+ Kg8
21 dxc6+ Re6
22 Rd7 and it seems to me that black will lose the queen and remains in trouble.
Is there a better black response to 19 exd5?
|Nov-20-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Not the ideal starting move for a puzzle, since the first move is obvious.|
I saw that Nxd7+ is also winning for the second move, and stopped there.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Mfrankpsyd: And this was a game played in a simul!|
|Nov-20-15|| ||BOSTER: <BxChess: Is there a better black response>. |
After 17.Qxg6 hxg6 18.R6d3 Black'd play Qe6
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Maybe Capablanca would win with queen majority.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Peligroso Patzer: For the record, the score for this game appearing in Caparrós, Rogelio, <The Games of José Raúl Capablanca> (Revised 2nd Edition), Chess Digest ©1994, at page 219 (Game no. 440), includes the following additional moves, which presumably were in fact played on the board: |
23. … Rxe8 24. Rxd7+ Kf8 25. Rxf7<+> [<sic>; should be “#”].
|Nov-20-15|| ||chancho: I said the same thing 8 years ago.
Capablanca vs S Campos, 1927 (kibitz #16)
|Nov-20-15|| ||Jack Kerouac: And then there was Paul Morphy.
It's 9 minutes, but worth every
detail and proof of chess genius.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Jack Kerouac: Forgot to add sound delivers the
|Nov-20-15|| ||Jack Kerouac: The proof. Endgame. Sound again.
|Nov-20-15|| ||raphi45: Yes BxChess, 18. ... d5 does save the game. The best white can do is 19. Nxd5 (-3.97, 25ply). 19. exd5 puts him at -6.19 . This according to houdini 4.|
|Nov-20-15|| ||benjaminpugh: My suspicion with Chris Owen posts is he writes something in his native language, then runs it through a crappy English translator and posts it. If you wade through the gibberish, he makes a lot of sense chess-wise.|
|Nov-20-15|| ||bobbyperez: What a long game!|
|Nov-20-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi benjaminpugh,
8th April 2014. 2nd last post on page 2.
Tarrasch vs Kolb, 1894
A straight forward Chris Owen post without any code.
|Nov-20-15|| ||BxChess: Thanks <raphi45>. I've now run it through Rybka, who recommends 19...Bc8 in response to 19. exd5. This prevents 20. Rh3+ and leaves black with a substantial advantage.|
<Boster>: Rybka prefers 18...d5 to handing the queen back with 18...Qe6.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Whitehat1963: One of the most amazing forced mates I've ever seen. Is it forced from the queen sac to the end?|
|Nov-21-15|| ||al wazir: <Cybe: I think, that after 18… d5 White loses.> I think you're right. Too bad. I guess Capa and I will have to give back the gold coins.|
|Nov-21-15|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: BOSTER: 21.Nxf6+ Kf8 22.Rh8+ Ke7 23. I looked at Re8+ Rxe8 but didn't see Rxd7+(long distance moves sometimes invisible).|
So, I went with 23.Ng8+ double check, when no defensive moves, the king must move. This always give me more confidence.
Ke8(forced) 24.Nh6+ Rf8 25.Bxf7#.
<Eduardo Bermudez: How many moves can you (Capa) see in advance?>. One.
My opinion that he didn't count move after move.
He could see the final picture once.
About the game. Everybody has different feeling about a <beauty>.
Somebody likes 17.Qxg6!!
For me it was move 14.Rd6, blocking the black pos.
I am agree with you "He could see the final picture once" !!
|Nov-21-15|| ||atragon: Fatal mistake was 19 ... Qc5. According to engines Qe6 was at best for white. As it was said, 18 ... d5 wins for black... but Campos was not Stockfish.|
|Nov-22-15|| ||saturn2: I revisited this weeks puzzle to see if Capablanca's queen sacrifice was sound and without having read with attention the numerous post indicating it is not, I found myself 18....d5 followed possibly by 19. Nxd5 Rxd5 20 Bxd5 Rf7 and white gets only two exchanges plus a bishop for the queen, which is not enough.|
<AylerKupp: Reminds me of a joke:> Thats a good and subtle one. Only after second reading I realized that it is not only about Capablanca being a good player but ...
|Jan-02-16|| ||TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in São Paulo, Brazil on August 16, 1927.|
Capablanca scored + 21=2-0.
Source is <The Unknown Capablanca> by Brandreth and Hooper.
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