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Anton Niedermayer vs Petr Haba
Wattens op 11th (1996), rd 2
English Opening: Agincourt Defense (A13)  ·  0-1


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Feb-06-06  prinsallan: Thanks <Hudson Hawk> for confirming my doubts. Hard for a monday I thought.
Feb-06-06  Hakoon: I wasnt sure at all. Was thinking about a queen trade, but then I saw that Rxe5 could be a better idea. But I wasnt that confident. I'm glad I saw that good move. I rarely get a chess puzzle lol
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  Willem Wallekers: <alefromitaly: I was going through 20. ...Qxd3 21. Nxd3 Rxe3 22. Rxe3 Bb6 23. Kf2 (or Re1) Ng4. Does it work?> Bon giorno.
That works just as well.
What sort of music do you make?
Feb-06-06  MiCrooks: I came up with Qxd3 as well, with the follow up Ng4. When I saw the solution here, I second guessed myself so I dropped it in Fritz to check it out. Fritz immediately jumps on the Rxe5 line, but after grinding away for a bit comes up with Bxe5 and Qxd3 eventually settling on Qxd3 as being slightly superior.

My take on it was it not only wins a piece, but also gets Queens off and several other pieces which should make your piece up advantage that much more pronounced.

Feb-06-06  shanked: I think I'm in love with a retard.
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  YouRang: Fairly easy. One of the first thing to notice is the tension between the queens attacking each other, with white's queen defended only by the knight. The "remove the guard" tactic (take the knight) should come to mind.

The tricky part is that you normally wouldn't expect "removal of the guard" to work in a case like this, since the white queen can capture the black queen before recapturing the piece that took the knight (for example if we had taken the knight with the bishop)

The key is to notice that it DOES work if you take the knight with the rook, because the rook can also recapture the queen, and move out of take at the same time.

I would rate this as being a bit harder than most Monday puzzles.

Feb-06-06  micartouse: Great puzzle! I agree with the majority here, for some reason this took me a while to spot although it's no more complex than any other Mondays.
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  kevin86: This one was almost too easy for a Monday! lol. Black steals a piece as the rook is immune. If white takes the queen,the menaced rook can rescue itslf by recapture.
Feb-06-06  Castle In The Sky: Who is Petr Haba? The database has over 1100 of his games and no bio.
Feb-06-06  ReikiMaster: After 20...Rxe5 21.Qxe4 Rxe4 black has a nasty pin on e-file that wins a second piece. I don't think some alternatives offered earlier are better.
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  beenthere240: <ReikiMaster> I don't think black wins a second piece (not that it matters; 1 is enuf). White's bishop on e3 and rook on e2 can be defended by Kf2 and R(a)-e1, after which the bishop moves. But White, being a piece down, is lost in ancy case.
Feb-06-06  shanked: A pledge pin?! On your uniform?!
Feb-06-06  alefromitaly: <Willem Wallekers> Any sort [right now Bach's Lute Suite 997, Fugue 1000 (Chessmaster's 10th Ed. intro) & Paganini's Gran Sonata for classical guit. but last night I was at a club playing el.piano/el.bass in a blues jam]. <Fezzik: I'm still scratching my head over last week's Tate-Gurevich game.> Idem. ^_^
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  patzer2: Black removes the guard, using the deflection tactic, with 20. Rxe5! to win a piece and the game.
Feb-06-06  LIFE Master AJ: Black can also win with ...QxQ/d3, and then a Rook sack on e3.
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  OhioChessFan: Ooooooooooh, that Niedermayer.
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  Sneaky: Oh you're right: 20...Qxd3 21.Nxd3 Rxe3! 22.Rxe3 Bb6 and Black will win the "pin wars" after 23.Re1 Nd5 24.Kf2 Re8
Feb-06-06  Zaius: To anyone wondering why the bishop can't take: The bishop removes the guard only, while the rook removes the guard and protects the queen. In fact,it is because the rook removes the guard that it can effectively protect the queen, since the rook is untakeable because white's queen is now udnefended.

I would rate this a Tuesday puzzle.

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  dzechiel: Took me a few seconds to see there were no useful checks, then the move jumped off the board at me. This is the kind of move you like to play in a blitz game.
Feb-06-06  erikcu: Yeah, it is one of those moves that when I see it in a game, I think. It can't be that simple, and then I get all clamy looking for the trap.
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  Richard Taylor: This is the first Monday problem I have missed I went for the pin which wins - but if I missed RxN in an OTB game I would just walk out of the room - go home - and make out my will.

Actually the exchange of Qs and Rxe3 and Bb6 also wins as A J notes - in fact I thought that was the solution -it actually wins a piece at least - but of course RxN is more elegant -

This often happens when there are two tactical motifs abroard, one sometimes gets directed away from another more obvious move - yet RxN is stangely hard to see. It isn't very deep but it's somehow

Feb-07-06  likestofork: <shanked> Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer... DEAD! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right.
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <shanked, likestofork>--check out User: dick brain
Feb-07-06  likestofork: <Mendel> That Fourth Estate just can't be trusted. There I was, under the impression that that guy had died during a speedball accident.
Feb-09-06  ReikiMaster: <beenthere240> You are right. After 20...Rxe5 21.Qxe4 Rxe4 22.Rae1 Rae8 23.Kf2 Rxe3 24.Rxe3 Bb6 25.Kf3 Bxe3 26.Rxe3 Rxe3+ 27.Kxe3 Ng4+ and Nxh2 white has "only" lost one piece and two pawns. Nevertheless, his position is utterly hopeless.
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