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Veselin Topalov vs Teimour Radjabov
Morelia-Linares (2006), Morelia MEX, rd 4, Feb-22
King's Indian Defense: Six Pawns Attack (E77)  ·  0-1
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Mar-06-06  Jim Bartle: Loved reading the list of posts in Karpova's bio. Gotta watch what I write now, don't want to make that list.

But seriously, this reminds me that iamverwellatchess seems to have wandered off. Just a nova (?) with 58 kibitzes which flashed across chessgames and then disappeared?

Mar-19-06
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  chancho: 101 point difference in rating and Topa gets his ass kicked in this game. That "sixty points, different class of player" quote he made regarding why he wont play a match with Kramnik, sounds rather hollow now.
Mar-19-06  aw1988: To his credit, Topalov had an amazing comeback in Linares.

But yes, it makes his comment rather moot now. And he didn't even have a disease in Morelia.

Mar-19-06
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  perfidious: <chancho> Even at my lowly 2186 level, I can guarantee that sixty ELO points is, over time, a perceptible difference in strength. You're putting too much stress on the result of one game in trying to refute the statement of someone who's in a far better position to know the truth whereof he speaks than yourself.
Mar-20-06  ahmadov: <perfidious> No matter what you say about difference in strength for sixty ELO points, this cannot be an excuse for Topalov to avoid playing against Kramnik. There are a lot of games in this database proving that a player with 100 ELO points below can beat his opponent, including this game.
Mar-20-06  azaris: <You're putting too much stress on the result of one game in trying to refute the statement of someone who's in a far better position to know the truth whereof he speaks than yourself.>

Who is? Dufus-Danailov? I don't believe Topalov was dumb enough to say anything about a 60-point difference himself, and even if he was then having a rating of 2800 in chess does not mean you can't talk a lot rubbish (Kasparov is a shining example of this).

Mar-21-06
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  perfidious: <azaris> if you'll take the time to read my note above, you'll see that it was a response to <chancho> ...............

<ahmadov> why belabour the obvious?

Mar-21-06
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  chancho: <perfidious:I can guarantee that sixty ELO points is, over time, a perceptible difference in strength.>

In the 1998 match between Vladimir Kramnik and Alexey Shirov, their respective ratings were 2790 and 2710. That is an eighty points difference in rating and Shirov won the match, so I still think the Topalov quote is pure rubbish.

Mar-21-06  Jim Bartle: Excellent point, chancho. Otherwise there'd be no reason to play games or matches--just look at the ratings and declare a winner!

I'd also like to correct azaris (three points above), who displays an incredible dearth of knowledge. The correct spelling is "doofus," not "dufus." I certainly expect not to see such a blunder again.

Mar-22-06
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  perfidious: <ahmadov> i agree re Topalov's refusal to face Kramnik; just more foolishness, in similar vein to Alekhine's unwillingness to give Capablanca a return match,among other episodes. Hopefully reason will win and let these two greats battle it out!
Mar-22-06  Whitehat1963: Regarding ELO points, it's amazing how regularly they can be counted on to predict the victor, but every once in a while you get something like this:

H Ziska vs Timman, 2006

Mar-22-06  ahmadov: <perfidious> It is good that there is a point on which we agree ;).
Mar-22-06  alicefujimori: <chancho><In the 1998 match between Vladimir Kramnik and Alexey Shirov, their respective ratings were 2790 and 2710. That is an eighty points difference in rating and Shirov won the match, so I still think the Topalov quote is pure rubbish.>...not to mention Kramnik then went on to find excuses as to why he lost to Shirov. (He blamed it on some outside, non-chess factor)
Mar-22-06
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  perfidious: <alice> here's a classic from bygone days.............

In 1908, Tarrasch blamed his heavy defeat at the hands of Lasker on the sea air. There was a rather large hole in that excuse-the match was held in Duesseldorf, Germany(well inland for those who don't know).

LOL

Mar-22-06  alicefujimori: <perfidious>Thanks for that.

Apparently after reading Kramnik's very recent interview, it seems that he has made another excuse concerning his lost to Kamsky in their first game of the quarterfinals way back in 1994.

Kamsky vs Kramnik, 1994

He said he lost that game because he wasn't using the computer to prepare while he was SUSPECTING that Kamsky was. So first it was about smoking and now about computer. Talking about making excuses... :)

Mar-22-06
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  chancho: < In his New York days Janowsky became famous as a master of alibis as well as chess. The radiator was too hot or too cold, the windows were open too far or too little - there was always something which spoiled his play. Finally a tournament comittee went to great lengths to make sure that everything was perfect.At this Janowsky was more furious than ever. "You have deprived me of every conceivable alibi," he stormed; "how can I possibly do my best?"> From Reuben Fine's Worlds Greatest Chess Games.pg 98.
Mar-23-06  alicefujimori: <chancho>So does that mean that it is "normal" for GMs to find excuses?
Mar-23-06  Father Karras: I hate wins like this. There is no clear cut plan rather the game is played 'on the move', the game seems disjointed, no flow or smoothness to it. It doesn't even look like a win but a mess.
Mar-23-06
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  plang: Perhaps, but it sure beats a 20 move draw.
Mar-23-06  acirce: <Perhaps, but it sure beats a 20 move draw.> Depends entirely on the 20 move draw in question.
Mar-23-06
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  chancho: <alicefujimori: So does that mean that it is "normal" for GMs to find excuses? >

For most GMs perhaps not. But we know some are prone to it.

May-15-06  Caissanist: <chancho: 101 point difference in rating and Topa gets his ass kicked in this game. That "sixty points, different class of player" quote he made regarding why he wont play a match with Kramnik, sounds rather hollow now.>

Wow, what a difference a couple of months can make. It looks like Topa logged in to chessgames, saw Chancho's comment, then immediately struck his forehead and shouted "Chancho's right! What in the world was I thinking???" Then he immediately set to work on putting things right. Congratulations on making such a forceful and compelling argument.

Jul-27-06  s4life: <Caissanist: "Chancho's right! What in the world was I thinking???" >

More like Kirsan was needing a desperate favor to make nice with the russian federation

Feb-02-10  herrahuu: Another annotations by Malcolm Pein is found at: "http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/event/l..."
Nov-22-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <chancho> It would seem that Janowski outshone Dr Tarrasch in one aspect of chess at least!
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