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Jean-Marc Degraeve vs Jacek Tomczak
"From the Cradle to Degraeve" (game of the day Aug-15-2017)
Cappelle la Grande (2006), Cappelle la Grande FRA, rd 2, Feb-19
Scandinavian Defense: Main Lines (B01)  ·  1-0
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Jun-13-06  chiguire: After 14...b5 why doesn't black ever take the whites bishop on c4? The opportunity is there for quite a while. Does black not want to give white the open file, or does he not want white to play Nc4 and force his queen off d6?

Please tell me what I am overlooking.

Jun-13-06  Runemaster: <chiguire: After 14...b5 why doesn't black ever take the whites bishop on c4?> It's more that there isn't time for that, given the attack on the Black king that is building. As pointed out in the first post above: <outplayer: 15...bxc4 16.Rh3 h6 17.Rg4>
Jun-13-06  dakgootje: Cant believe a 2300-player was playing the black side. He should be ashamed, i mean just look at the pieces after 12. Ne4...
Jun-13-06  Maatalkko: after 15...bxc4 16. Rh3 h6 why not 17. Bxh6?

Nice game by Degraeve, demonstrating a lead in development.

Jun-13-06  Alex S.: 15. Rb3 was lovely.

(15. Rb3 bxc4 16. Rh3 h7 17. Rg4 Bg5 18. Rxg5 Qxe5 19. dxe5 Rd8 20. Rxg7+ Kxg7 (20...Kxg7 21. Qxf7#) 21. Qxh6+ Kg8 22. Qh8#.)

Jun-13-06
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  kevin86: Tomczak is buried in the grave by DeGraeve. lol

Great attack by white-with appropriate sacs thrown in.

Jun-13-06  Maatalkko: <Alex S.> Was that analysis from a computer? I still don't see what's wrong with 17. Bxh6. I don't have Fritz handy, so I can't test it.
Jun-13-06  borisbadenoff: <Maatalkko: <Alex S.> Was that analysis from a computer? I still don't see what's wrong with 17. Bxh6. I don't have Fritz handy, so I can't test it.> There is nothing wrong with it. Just another variation of the 7-move mate after 15. bxc4

15. .. bxc4 16. Rh3 h6 17. Bxh6 Qxe5 18. Rxe5 f5 19. Bxg7 Kg7 20. Qh7+ Kf6 21. Rh6+ Kg5 22. Qg7+ Kf4 23. Qg3#

Jun-13-06  apawnandafool: this is supposed to be a good opening for black's development, but you see how he gets it wrong.

looks like black got skittish on the 6th move. (but he can escape the discovered attack, so there's no need to move the queen again.) he should have continued developing, because white gets the edge at 3 to 2 developed pieces when black moves the queen to b6, slight mistake. he plays a pawn grab to give white a 4 piece to 2 lead in development.

white uses the opportunity to force a gain of time with a knight/bishop coordination against b7, pawn has to defend (locks in the bishop) and now it's 5 to 2 pieces, because black moves his queen away from the rook on the semi open file.

then white achieves king safety and initiates his attack as black tried to move his queen in order to defend. but you can look at how he just builds a wall between his king and queen.

so he just should have resigned here.

<how does a 2300 play that badly?> i don't know. he made the choice to play the scandinavian, it's black's choice, and i checked his page, he's played this opening quite a bit in 2005, so he knew the pawn grab was wrong. maybe one reason is that it was an attempt to draw white away from center with a queen net, when black could catch up in development.

Jun-13-06  Rocafella: France were so poor! It was disgraceful, what a shame, especially with all the good players they have...
Jun-13-06  sandmanbrig: More proof of the horribleness of the Scandinavian
Jun-13-06  Maatalkko: <borisbadenoff> I see, so 17. Rg4 actually mates 1 move faster than 17. Bxh6. But any reasonable GM would play 17. Bxh6. It's a sacrifice, worth a few style points at least ;-).
Jun-13-06  Fast Gun: I agree with offramp, 12 Nbd7 has got to be better than Nxe4? After Rxe4 white is fully developed and has too much heavy artillery aimed against the black king. The old adage about development of the pieces still holds good !!
Jun-13-06  YouRang: A good game to demonstrate the point behind some of those old chess axioms:

1. Don't bring your queen out too early - it becomes a target for your opponent's pieces.

2. In the opening, develop quickly - don't waste time to go pawn grabbing.

In the meantime, White does a nice job capitalizing on his lead in development: Amassing his forces against the Black king's position, and using a sacrifice to bust open the defense.

Jun-13-06
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  numbersguy70: And...
3. Know an opening before playing it against a player rated 200pts higher who also plays it.

4. If snapping a pawn gives the opponent an open rook file, you'd better have the tempo advantage to handle it.

Dec-23-11  Whitehat1963: There's an excellent puzzle at some point after 14...b5.
Jan-26-12  zahbaz: Did anybody post about this potential queen sac? It's fun to play through.

15... bxc4 16. Rh3 h6 17. Qxh6! gxh6 18. Rg4+ Bg5 19. Bxg5 Qxe5! 20.Bxh6+!! Qg7 21. Rxg7+ Kh8 22. Rg4! Rg8 23. Bg7#

Black has to offer up his queen twice to last until move 23. White's move 22.Rg4 is kind of interesting, too, as it prevents black from attacking the h file rook with the light squared bishop.

Aug-15-17  SeanAzarin: I believe it was Frank Marshall who told the story of the dying father whose sons had gathered around him on his deathbed.

"My sons," he whispered, "I have nothing in the way of worldly goods to leave to you. But I have a piece of advice to you which is worth more than gold."

He paused to get air back in his lungs, then continued.

"NEVER capture the Queen Knight Pawn with your Queen!"

Too bad Black never learned that.

Aug-15-17
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  al wazir: Is this game really over?

19...e4 20. Bxe4 Rf5 21. Bxf5 exf5 22. Qe8+ (22. Rh3 Bh4 23. Rxh4/Qxh4 Qd7) Bf8 23. Qxc8 c5 24. Qxf5 Bg7 25. Bf4 Qf8.

Black has ♘ vs. ♙+♙.

Aug-15-17  Goato: <al wazir> in your line white has 23.Bf4

The black Q can not cover Be5 and Qxf8 which will lead to mate.

Aug-15-17
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  sfm: <SeanAzarin: I believe it was Frank Marshall...> LOL Yes, that would have been him, and it was!
Aug-15-17  dumbgai: No matter how many times Qxb2 has been punished, players just can't resist.
Aug-15-17  morfishine: Yet another so-called "Game of the Day" wasted on some low-witted play on word

*****

Aug-16-17
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  al wazir: <Goato: white has 23.Bf4>. You're right. Thanks.
Aug-16-17
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  kevin86: The pieces are so blocked that mate is inescapable.
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