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| Jun-13-06 |
| offramp: Perhaps 12...Nbd7 was better. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| blingice: <chessmoron> It's an expression anyway, meaning "my whole life" (pretty obvious if you consider it). |
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| dzechiel: I could not believe a 2300 player would make black's 7th move. Even when it looks good, it's bad to take a b-pawn with a queen. <chessmoron> The expression is "From the cradle to the grave" meaning from when you are born until when you die. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| SniperOnG7: <chessmoron> Yeah, it can also be a pun for that movie. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Runemaster: Losing this game must have been a very degraeving experience for Black. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| EmperorAtahualpa: Very nice pun, which works fine in English.
I suspect "graeve" is old Dutch for "count". So we have John-Mark The Count playing the White pieces. Great game!! |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Far1ey: <dzechiel>
It's not that bad to take the pawn on B2.
For example in the Poisoned pawn variation of the Scicilian, Where Bobby Fischer proved that black can hold on to the extra pawn through out the game if he plays well.However, black was behind in development etc etc so yes you probably right... |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Aspirador: <<From the Cradle to Degraeve> Is this pun from a Jet Li/DMX movie?> No, it's from a Prop Kx/IRS movie. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Polak: That's what happens when you badly want to capture at least one hanging piece. I'm pretty sure 12...N:e4 was a cruical mistake here. I don't know why 15...f6 was played instead of 15...f5, or 15...h6. With so isolated queenside Tomczak should have been very, very careful. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| blingice: <Aspirador: <<From the Cradle to Degraeve> Is this pun from a Jet Li/DMX movie?> No, it's from a Prop Kx/IRS movie.> Hahahaha. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| chiguire: After 14...b5 why doesn't black ever take the whites bishop on c4? The opportunity is there for quite a while. Does black not want to give white the open file, or does he not want white to play Nc4 and force his queen off d6? Please tell me what I am overlooking. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Runemaster: <chiguire: After 14...b5 why doesn't black ever take the whites bishop on c4?> It's more that there isn't time for that, given the attack on the Black king that is building. As pointed out in the first post above: <outplayer: 15...bxc4 16.Rh3 h6 17.Rg4> |
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| dakgootje: Cant believe a 2300-player was playing the black side. He should be ashamed, i mean just look at the pieces after 12. Ne4... |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Maatalkko: after 15...bxc4 16. Rh3 h6 why not 17. Bxh6?
Nice game by Degraeve, demonstrating a lead in development. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Alex S.: 15. Rb3 was lovely.
(15. Rb3 bxc4 16. Rh3 h7 17. Rg4 Bg5 18. Rxg5 Qxe5 19. dxe5 Rd8 20. Rxg7+ Kxg7 (20...Kxg7 21. Qxf7#) 21. Qxh6+ Kg8 22. Qh8#.) |
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| kevin86: Tomczak is buried in the grave by DeGraeve. lol
Great attack by white-with appropriate sacs thrown in. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Maatalkko: <Alex S.> Was that analysis from a computer? I still don't see what's wrong with 17. Bxh6. I don't have Fritz handy, so I can't test it. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| borisbadenoff: <Maatalkko: <Alex S.> Was that analysis from a computer? I still don't see what's wrong with 17. Bxh6. I don't have Fritz handy, so I can't test it.>
There is nothing wrong with it. Just another variation of the 7-move mate after 15. bxc4 15. .. bxc4 16. Rh3 h6 17. Bxh6 Qxe5 18. Rxe5 f5 19. Bxg7 Kg7 20. Qh7+ Kf6 21. Rh6+ Kg5 22. Qg7+ Kf4 23. Qg3# |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| apawnandafool: this is supposed to be a good opening for black's development, but you see how he gets it wrong. looks like black got skittish on the 6th move. (but he can escape the discovered attack, so there's no need to move the queen again.) he should have continued developing, because white gets the edge at 3 to 2 developed pieces when black moves the queen to b6, slight mistake. he plays a pawn grab to give white a 4 piece to 2 lead in development. white uses the opportunity to force a gain of time with a knight/bishop coordination against b7, pawn has to defend (locks in the bishop) and now it's 5 to 2 pieces, because black moves his queen away from the rook on the semi open file. then white achieves king safety and initiates his attack as black tried to move his queen in order to defend. but you can look at how he just builds a wall between his king and queen. so he just should have resigned here.
<how does a 2300 play that badly?> i don't know. he made the choice to play the scandinavian, it's black's choice, and i checked his page, he's played this opening quite a bit in 2005, so he knew the pawn grab was wrong. maybe one reason is that it was an attempt to draw white away from center with a queen net, when black could catch up in development. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Rocafella: France were so poor! It was disgraceful, what a shame, especially with all the good players they have... |
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| sandmanbrig: More proof of the horribleness of the Scandinavian |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Maatalkko: <borisbadenoff> I see, so 17. Rg4 actually mates 1 move faster than 17. Bxh6. But any reasonable GM would play 17. Bxh6. It's a sacrifice, worth a few style points at least ;-). |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Fast Gun: I agree with offramp, 12 Nbd7 has got to be better than Nxe4? After Rxe4 white is fully developed and has too much heavy artillery aimed against the black king. The old adage about development of the pieces still holds good !! |
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Jun-13-06
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| YouRang: A good game to demonstrate the point behind some of those old chess axioms: 1. Don't bring your queen out too early - it becomes a target for your opponent's pieces. 2. In the opening, develop quickly - don't waste time to go pawn grabbing. In the meantime, White does a nice job capitalizing on his lead in development: Amassing his forces against the Black king's position, and using a sacrifice to bust open the defense. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| numbersguy70: And...
3. Know an opening before playing it against a player rated 200pts higher who also plays it.4. If snapping a pawn gives the opponent an open rook file, you'd better have the tempo advantage to handle it. |
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+ sac: 16.Rg4
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buttons, but it's much easier to simply use the left and right arrow keys on your keyboard.