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Veselin Topalov vs Peter Leko
Linares 2006 (2006), Morelia, Mexico, rd 13, Mar-10
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Classical Variation. Keres Defense (E32)  ·  1-0


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Mar-10-06  thomas1382: if topa wins 4 players will have 7.5/13 , am i right???
Mar-10-06  JYMMI: I think f5 is a good white move now
Mar-10-06  Morphy1974: <TrueBlue: can't believe the draw "experts" are still here lol!> :) Me too. Such as Leko, they just cant accept the truth: Topalov wins!!!
Mar-10-06  kaspirateur: f5 ?!??
Mar-10-06  stonebrain2006: Rd6+ then Rf6 and Ng5
Mar-10-06  avus: <TrueBlue> When there are few pieces on the board engines' vast computing capacity gives a reliable evaluation. When there are 60 pieces on the board and the number of possible moves is too high, they do not. Nevertheless, next time I need a proper evaluation I'll ask you instead of Deep Fritz 8.
Mar-10-06  TrueBlue: if you read my previous posts, you will see that I said that Leko has a lot of room for blunder in his position, and that's exactly what happened.
Mar-10-06  ercliderc: make him prove it, Peti. and yes, unbelievable as it may sound, there are still people, who are/will be rooting for Leko, because he's a great player, even if he's losing/drawing some games...
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  crafty: 64. ♖d8 ♖g2 65. ♘d3+ ♔c4 66. ♘e5+ ♔c3 67. ♖d3+   (eval 4.01; depth 14 ply; 150M nodes)
Mar-10-06  rego: It's not that easy and obvious how the white advantage can get to a win....
Mar-10-06  kaspirateur: How does Topalov win this Mister Morphy1234 ?
Stop talking and prove it
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  keypusher: Why couldn't white play 64 Nxg4 Kxd4 65 Kxg6?
Mar-10-06  avus: Oops, correction: "When there are 30 pieces..." :)
Mar-10-06  japssix: well all whos in favor of topalov is tight lip right now , huh. i guess spoke too soon.
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  plang: "When there are few pieces on the board engines' vast computing capacity gives a reliable evaluation. "

Computers aren't very usefull here. They are going to say that white has a big advantage but not whether white can win. How is that usefull?

Mar-10-06  s4life: <THE CHESS KING: it seems to be the R+N+K VS K+R ending I think without the use of table base it is a drawn ending between two 2750+ grandmasters i remember i his match against garry kramnink was not been able to win this ending and then offered the draw. can any one tell me that in this ending 50 move rule applies or not?> Except there are a couple of pawns in the mix.... this is NOT a draw by a long shot.
Mar-10-06  chaital2005: I donot understand what topolov is doing aroung with his pieces?? I see an easy win here for topo. Why is he moving his pieces like a computer gone wrong?
Mar-10-06  TrueBlue: avus, of course fritz is better than me, but sometimes humans can see things computers can't.
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  Sneaky: Topalov fans... it's not quite time to pop open the champagne just yet.
Mar-10-06  jmi: <chaital2005: I donot understand what topolov is doing aroung with his pieces?? I see an easy win here for topo. Why is he moving his pieces like a computer gone wrong?>

Pls prove the easy win and show the line where Topalov wins.

Mar-10-06  japssix: its a draw!!!! and im not for the either of the two player. pro bobby fisher .!!!! hope she will comment on this....
Mar-10-06  alex85: Is there any Fritz analysis ?
Mar-10-06  seekovich: Does Ne4,g5 draw?
Mar-10-06  kaspirateur: ARE THERE REAL PLAYERS THERE ?????
It's irritating this puerile battle between Leko fans or Topalov fans. The simple question is:can white (whoever it is)win this position objectively ???
Mar-10-06  moocow: <keypusher> 64. Ng4 Kd4 65. Kg6 gets swindled after b4 66. Nf2 b3 67. Nd1 Kd3!
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