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Gata Kamsky vs Ruslan Ponomariov
MTel Masters (2006)  ·  Spanish Game: Closed Variations (C88)  ·  1-0
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May-17-06  BrotherJed: I really agree with madlydeeply, things are getting interesting. Alot of people on this site disagreed with the assumption that Kamsky would lose this tournament. He showed some interesting fight in corus. Finally us Americans have someone to root for! I still don't know if Kamsky can outlast Anand for the top place, but under any scenario he is looking good. I can't wait for the olympiad.... USA team will have Kamsky, Nakamura, and Onischuk. Maybe we can get a medal!
May-17-06
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  Gypsy: <percyblakeney: Kamsky has already beaten number 2, 4 and 6 in the world and has good chances to beat number 1 as well if he doesn't start playing better...> If we go by the now stale Elo, then yes, Topalov is still the #1 rated player.
May-17-06
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  keypusher: I think Anand is playing the strongest and most solid chess, and I expect him to win the tournament. But I am very happy to see Kamsky do well. Why? Mostly nationalism, among the most discreditable of motivations...
May-17-06
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  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 25...b4, 25..Rc4 proceeds with Black's development on the c file.
May-17-06
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  keypusher: ....and right after I say that Anand draws a game I expected him to win. We shall see!
May-17-06
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  thom: my machine says 35.. d4?? if 35.. Qb8
May-17-06
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  suenteus po 147: It was foolish of Ponomariov to enter into a Ruy Lopez with Kamsky when he has obviously made it the major component of his repertoire this tournament.
May-17-06  percyblakeney: <If we go by the now stale Elo, then yes, Topalov is still the #1 rated player>

It gets a bit tricky if one should update the Elo after every game, but let's say that Kamsky has beaten number 1, 4 and 6 in the world and still may beat number 2, even more impressive...

May-17-06  NakoSonorense: Isnt Topalov #1 and Anand #2?
May-17-06  percyblakeney: <Nako Sonorense> Ask <Gypsy> about it :-)
May-17-06
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  Ulhumbrus: With 11 Nbd2 Kamsky begins a plan which can be called an improvement upon a move, that move being Nc3 : his QN will head for f5 as quickly as possible, before Ponomatiev's QN can head for f4 via d8 and e6, following ...Qd7. We can say that in this case a move is improved upon by a plan. The move of Nb1-c3 is improved upon by the plan of Nb1-d2-g3-f5 before Black can get his Nc6 to f4.However perhaps it would be more correct to say that the plan of Nb1-d2-g3-f5 as quickly as possible is an improvement upon previous plans begun with the move Nc3.
May-17-06
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  notyetagm: <BrotherJed: ... I can't wait for the olympiad.... USA team will have Kamsky, Nakamura, and Onischuk. Maybe we can get a medal!>

Yes, a medal for our USA team would be tremendous.

May-17-06  you vs yourself: <suenteus po 147: It was foolish of Ponomariov to enter into a Ruy Lopez with Kamsky when he has obviously made it the major component of his repertoire this tournament.>

If Pono had won, he would've been praised for his psychological ploy. It wasn't the opening that lost the game for Pono; just read the post above yours.

May-17-06
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  suenteus po 147: <just read the post above yours.> So says the machine. And yes, if Ponomariov had won we would be praising him, but he didn't so we aren't :)
May-17-06
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  Hesam7: I think after 31... Bc6 Black is lost.
May-17-06
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  OneArmedScissor: There's been so many complaints about Kamsky being in this super GM tournaments. But with preformances like these, how can one complain? If anything, Bacrot needs to just drop off the face of the earth with his pathetic play.
May-17-06  Idling: I agree with Onearmedscissor.. . . we filipinos love underdogs. and kamsky was clearly the underdog before the start of the torney. but he proved them all wrong. nice to see him do well here in this torney. i would love to see him win this one. anand has so many other torneys to win. but for kamsky, this maybe a fairytale comeback we would all love to happen.
May-17-06  NakoSonorense: One Armed Scissor, why Bacrot? in case you didnt notice, it is ponomariov who lost in this game. And, it is ponomariov who is in last place at the moment. Why not Ponomariov? I dont get it.

Idling, EVERYBODY loves underdogs. =)

May-18-06
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  OneArmedScissor: Compare the number of games Ponomariov has won in 2006 with the number of wins Bacrot has in 2006.
May-18-06  cotdt: Anyone know why it took so long for Pono to resign? He was lost long before he resigned.
May-18-06
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  tamar: Players have different philosophies about resigning.

Both Ponomariov and Kamsky are notorious bitter-enders, but that is part of their mental outlook.

They believe they can save almost any position.

May-19-06
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  OneArmedScissor: <NakoSonorense>

In 2006, Ponomariov has won 9 games.
In 2006, Bacrot has won 4 games.

May-19-06  NakoSonorense: OneArmedScissor, thanks. That makes much more sense. But still, I don't see the point of replacing Bacrot (or Ponomariov) with someone else. I mean, someone has to lose anyway. If the replacement, say Morozevich or Ivanchuk, finishes with a -3, then people would be saying that he should be replaced with someone "stronger." My point is that someone has to lose. This time it was poor Ponomariov and Bacrot, but next time it may be anyone.

By the way, thanks for responding. Regards.

May-19-06
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  OneArmedScissor: I understand your point. Replacing Bacrot with Morozevich or Ivanchuk would be great. But why? Both have proved themselves, and they've definitely got a better chance of winning and playing exciting chess, as opposed to Bacrot. Simply put, Bacrot is known as the whipping boy of all these super GM tournaments. Has Morozevich or Ivanchuk ever been regarded as the whipping boy in every tournament they play in?
May-20-06  alexandrovm: the youngsters are not doing fine in this tournament, oposed to the other part of the field. Topa made a great comeback, Kamsky performed excelent here, showing he is a 2700+ rated player. The final day will be great, Anand, Topa and Kamsky needs to win, in order to secure first place.
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