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|Aug-05-06|| ||strifeknot: While engine analysis shows the situation isn't hopeless for white with perfect play, I thought the position looked resignable after the last move made. After lengthy consideration, Jobava obviously agreed. Flawless play by white from move 16 onward would only be delaying the inevitable, while less than flawless play (entirely likely) leads to rapid defeat.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||suenteus po 147: We have to remember too that Jobava was seriously fatigued from losing another game against Gelfand. While this may become a candidate for my Never Resign! collection I certainly understand why he would throw in the towel considering the position and the exigent circumstances.|
|Aug-06-06|| ||Honza Cervenka: <Jobava showed a lack of fight.>|
I can understand why Baadur resigned already here. To play after early unexpected blow very bad (if not hopeless) position with much worse time against awesome opponent like Kramnik is a task for nerveless silicon beast rather than for common human player. For example, Ivanchuk resigned under similar conditions many times. It is quite reasonable to spare oneself of almost certainly useless and frustrating strain, especially if next day another game is sheduled.
|Aug-06-06|| ||4daluvofchess: Down two connected passed pawns for 0 compensation against Kramnik? Resignation was in order.|
|Aug-06-06|| ||mack: Tsk, Drawnik strikes again.|
|Aug-06-06|| ||Inf: <positionalgenius> im sorry but anyone who loses in 20 moves is a SUCKER... including kramnik.|
|Aug-06-06|| ||patzer2: With the benefit of hind sight, White would have been OK after 14. Bd3 , preparing to castle Kingside, instead of falling into an inferior position after 14. e5 Nxb4! . |
The surprising 14...Nxb4! is a deep combination in which Black wins a couple of pawns and destroys White's pawn strucure, while utilizing the pin to gain back more than enough compensation for the sacrificed piece.
In the final position, play might continue 16. Bd2 Bxb4! 17. Rc1 Nxd2 18. Nxd2 Qc5! 19. Be2 (19. Ne2 Rfd8! ) 19...Rac8 20. Ndb1 Bxg2 21. Rg1 Bb7 22. Rg5 f5 23. Qb3 (23. Rg3 Be4 ) 23...Bd5 24. Qb2 Be4 25. Rg3 f4 26. Rh3 f3 27. Ba6 Bf5 28. Rxf3 Bxb1 29. Re3 Bf5 (-2.25 @ 14 depth, Fritz 8).
|Aug-06-06|| ||patzer2: In fairness to Jobava, it may be that he lost this game to superior opening preparation on the part of Kramnik. |
Jobava steered away from the more popular 7. Qc2 as in Mamedyarov vs G Sargissian, 2006 or 7. e3 as in Bareev vs C Lutz, 2006 in favor of the less frequently played 7. Bd2.
Then, Kramnik steered the game into even more rarified air with the seldom seen but solid 7...Nf6. In the complications which followed, Kramnik seemed more familiar with the position. So I would not be surprised to find 14...Nxb4! was part of Kramnik's opening preparation for this game.
|Aug-06-06|| ||Hesam7: This might be the best defense that White can put together. It is a long line and it is not even forced but it is intended as an example to show some postentials of White's position:|
16. Rd3 Bxb4 17. Bd2 Qc5 18. Re3 Rfd8 19. Bd3 Nxc3 20. Bxh7+ Kf8 21. O-O Rac8 22. Bxc3 Bxc3 23. Be4 Ba6 24. Bd3 Bxd3 25. Rxd3 Rxd3 26. Qxd3 Bxe5 27.
Nxe5 Qxe5 28. Qa3+ Kg8 29. Qxa7 b5 30. Qd7 Rb8
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|Aug-07-06|| ||euripides: <patzer> Jobava played 7 Bd2 against Leko earlier in the tournament; so Kramnik would certainly have prepared against it, though whether he foresaw the position after move 14 I don't know. I think it would have been easy for him to think of Nxb4 over the board.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||alicefujimori: <patzer2>I really don't know how you come up with it that this is home prep by Kramnik. Check the database and you'll realize that the first one to steer into unfamiliar territory was Jobava and not Kramnik. Jobava's 10.b4 was the move. So it is very improbable that it's all home prep by Kramnik. Besides, the 14...Nxb4 move isn't really that difficult to fine, especially among these very top players. |
All there is to say about this game is that Jobava blundered badly and very bad prep by him for certain.
|Aug-07-06|| ||euripides: <alice> you need to check Chessbase at least before being sure where the innovation comes.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||alicefujimori: <euripides>Well, chessbase did not even say anything about novelty. So I'll have to go by my comment until proven otherwise. :)|
|Aug-07-06|| ||euripides: <alice> you can check the position on Chessbase's database at <www.chesslive.de>. Usually, the novelty there is later than on the chessgames database.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||euripides: ..in this case 10 b4 is the innovation in chessbase as well.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||alicefujimori: <eurpides>Thanks euripides, I really didn't know that. hmmm...So I guess I was right...even without 100% evidence.lol|
|Aug-07-06|| ||euripides: <alice> yes it's a useful resource. Kramnik might have analysed this line though I don't think he needed to.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||Manic: Some of you are being pretty harsh on Jobava. We all have our off days guys. I'm pretty sure even some of the world's best have lost in 15 moves or less at some point. For example, Karpov had his 12 move loss to Larry Christiansen. And we must also remember that Kramnik is in the top-10 too.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||alicefujimori: <Manic>Of course there are other miniatures around, but that does not excuse him for blundering like that. It's harsh, yes, but he simply blundered badly. Period. Nothing more harsh about it.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||Manic: <alicefujimori> i was more talking about the direct attacks on him. I think a criticism like your 'pathetic display' one was ok. But stuff like he does not belong here and he is crap because he lost this fast were the ones my comment were aimed at.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||alicefujimori: <Manic>I know. You have to realize that everybody have their own standards when they rate these things. Somebody's standards are high and reckoned that he doesn't belong there. Other's might think that this is just a one timer and he still have opportunities in the very future.|
So just take it easy. When Jobava plays an excellent game next time, you can always tell those guys to eat their words. :)
|Aug-07-06|| ||alicefujimori: <lentil><the reason he draws so many games is that he intimidates anyone who plays him. the draws are their fault, not his.>Now this is one of the most hilarious and crappest quote that I've seen in a long time.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||patzer2: <alicefujimori> <euripides> Whether Kramnik prepared and sprung a trap or found the combination OTB makes no difference to me. Either way it's an impressive combination. With this win and another last round victory over Leko, Kramnik won Dortmund and has been playing magnificently of late.|
However, I'm with the chessbase.com annotators in wondering why Jobava didn't fight on a bit longer, as indicated in their report of this round 6 Dortmund game at http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail....
|Aug-21-06|| ||slomarko: 14.e5 is a terrible move. white is behind in development..|
|Dec-25-08|| ||extremepleasure2: Black's 7...Nf6 is really such a strange choice but white's 8.Qc2 is even stranger. Why doesn't he play the logical 8.Bg5 which I am sure Capablanca would play almost automatically in this position? BTW I instantly sacrificed my N with 14...Nb4 in "guess the move" section. This move is what the position demands and it is not so difficult to find. It is evident that Jobava was not in good mood while playing this game. He's normally a far stronger player than this game suggests. This was a lucky game for Kramnik. That's all I can say about this game.|
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