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|Aug-05-06|| ||suenteus po 147: Just because I'm curious, how does Kramnik refute 16.Rd3? Because if 16...Bxb4 17.Bd2 holds the piece, does it not?|
|Aug-05-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: This one ended way too abruptly to be a candidate for GOTD, but what a pun would be possible: "Some Days are Baadur than Others".|
|Aug-05-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <suenteus po 147> I agree with your implication that Jobava resigned a bit prematurely here. There was some commentary to that effect on the tournament page, as well as on the page for live coverage of Leko-Gelfand today. All lines seem to be clearly better for Black, but after your suggested 16. Rd3, there does not seem to be anything immediately decisive.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||Chuckles: I think 16. Rd3 Bxb4 17. Bd2 Qc5. Attacking f2, the rooks are coming to c8/d8, Ba6.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||positionalgenius: This game is hilarious....proving that Jobava does not belong here.They should have invited Radjabov,Topalov or Anand.Heck,even Ponomariov would be more skilled than Jobava.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||suenteus po 147: <Peligroso Patzer: GOTD..."Some Days are Baadur than Others".> LOL!|
<Chuckles> Thanks for that. It does seem that Kramnik can keep pouring on the pressure until Jobava's entire position collapses around him.
|Aug-05-06|| ||suenteus po 147: <positionalgenius> Jobava may not be up to everyone's level here at Dortmund, but he is the on to actually earn his seat at the table. Winning Aeroflot is no simple task.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||positionalgenius: Sorry anyone who loses in 15 moves sucks and i don't want to hear about Kramnik-Topalov,Corus 2005-I know Vladimir lost in 20 moves.That was the Najdorf,and Topalov is a brilliant tactician.Kramnik isn't so no one should be losing to him in 15 moves.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||Chuckles: After 16.Rd3 Bxb4 17.Bd2 Qc5 my Shredder is giving 18.Re3 as the only move that doesn't completely lose immediately. Then for example 18...Rfd8 19.Bd3 Nxc3 20.Bxh7+ Kf8 21.Bxc3 Rac8 22.0-0 Bxc3.|
It does seem that White could play on a bit though, it's still at least a little bit complicated. Although I can sympathize; you get a shot with white against someone like Kramnik and this is your position after 15 moves? I'd probably get depressed and resign too.
|Aug-05-06|| ||alicefujimori: This is...suprising. I wonder if Jobava actually did any home-prep for this game since this is just one pathetic display by him. Didn't wanted to be harsh, but this is just too much...|
|Aug-05-06|| ||chancho: A guy who drew against Adams, Leko, and Aronian, get's mashed at warp speed by Kramnik. Things that make you go hmmm...|
|Aug-05-06|| ||euripides: Jobava played the same line against Leko and put him under some pressure: Jobava vs Leko, 2006|
7...Nf6 occurs four times previously in this database, with three draws and one win for Black. It confirms the solidity of the QID even against some of White's more aggressive tries (Bd2 can lead to Bxc3 and very aggressive play on the long diagonal).
I think the end of this game game was just an accident, incurred during a vain attempt to try to show some White advantage. Any top-flight GM should find the combination here. Jobava probably felt it more dignified to resign than to drag things out.
|Aug-05-06|| ||chancho: <positionalgenius: Sorry anyone who loses in 15 moves sucks>|
These things happen now and then.
A Zapata vs Anand, 1988
|Aug-05-06|| ||euripides: <positional> <karpov is far better than Leko> <Karpov is one of the TOP FIVE world champions> <my favourite player is Karpov> <anyone who loses in 15 moves sucks>|
this really is too easy .... let's restrict our attention to this opening:
Christiansen vs Karpov, 1993
Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1974
|Aug-05-06|| ||chancho: Here is another player who got blasted in 15 moves.
Kramnik vs Svidler, 2004
|Aug-05-06|| ||NateDawg: Chessmaster agrees that the best continuation for both sides is 16. d3 xb4 17. d2 c5 18. e3 fd8 19. d3 xc3 20. xh7+ f8 21. xc3 ac8 22. 0-0 xc3.|
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Chessmaster evaluates this position as -1.74.
|Aug-05-06|| ||canitti: i thought baadur jobava is from georgia so why are the tournament website and chessbase.com say this guy is armenian?|
|Aug-05-06|| ||Helloween: <positional genius> Kramnik not a brilliant tactician? Try Kramnik vs Deep Fritz, 2002|
|Aug-05-06|| ||positionalgenius: I knew that post would bring down the kibitzers on me.<Helloween>I did not say Kramnik is incapable of tactics-he is quite good at them-but he is a strategic player,not inclined to mix it up in big games unless his opponent forces it.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||positionalgenius: <Helloween>The game you reference is a stategic game,dummy!:)|
|Aug-05-06|| ||crafty: 16. d2 xb4 17. c1 xd2 18. xd2 c5 19. db1 (eval -1.88; depth 14 ply; 750M nodes)|
|Aug-05-06|| ||SnoopDogg: <i thought baadur jobava is from georgia so why are the tournament website and chessbase.com say this guy is armenian?>|
Idiots. Why is it that people cannot tell the difference between Georgia, Azeribijian and Armenia. Just because Jobava doesn't end in shvili doesn't mean he's not Georgian. Seems like the outside world always wants to steal famous people born in Georgia, Petrosian being an example. Seems like only person they'll let us keep is Stalin.
|Aug-05-06|| ||Dionyseus: Weird.|
|Aug-05-06|| ||Dionyseus: <SnoopDogg> <I was being sarcastic Dio.>|
I was referring to the game.
|Aug-05-06|| ||Castle In The Sky: Everyone has a bad day (here a Baadur day as humorously referenced above). However, I, as a patzer, would have kept playing until I was at least a full piece down. I think Jobava showed a lack of fight.|
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