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|Sep-30-06|| ||Renton2006: This is truly a sad situation for chess.
How many people where, like me, coming back to chess after so many years, attracted by the propspect of a great reunification match, a battle between two great players, 'Fire' and 'Ice' meeting over the board, etc., only to see it go down the drain?
The chess scene is not very great where I live and this ridiculous fight is certainly not going to help improving it. Chess will once again be seen as the realm of nerds and freaks...
Is there anything chess fans can do about this? It's our game too and our greatest representatives are failing us.
|Sep-30-06|| ||iron maiden: Actual quote from a friend of mine this morning:
“Dude, I must’ve been really drunk last night, because I swear I remember you telling me that some world chess match had been stopped because the players couldn’t come to an agreement on using the bathroom.”
|Sep-30-06|| ||trevormkidd: <Chess will once again be seen as the realm of nerds and freaks...>|
Once again?? When was it not? Dammit I must have missed that golden era - maybe I was in the bathroom.
|Sep-30-06|| ||CapablancaFan: I'm very disappointed right now. This is really a travesty for the whole chess community worldwide. It is very difficult as it is to get funding (sponsors) for this type of match up. Finally, FIDE, sponsors, Topalov and Kramnik manage to put this thing together and create a huge spark of interest in chess that hasn't been seen in years. And what did they do with that oppurtunity? Stop the match because Kramnik forgot to bring his box of depends? Now the chess community is a laughing stock at a time when chess struggles to stay relevant as a sport.So how do we fix this mess? While there is no way this match's reputation can be totally repaired, I'll suggest a few things. |
1.Topalov needs to apologize to Kramnik, FIDE, and the chess world for dragging this thing in the muck. Yes, does going to the bathroom 50 times a match a little excessive? Yes, but there simply was no evidence that Kramnik was cheating, and without that evidence the charge should'nt have been made.
2.Kramnik needs to agree to continue the match. To simply quit because "he said something about me" is not good enough and had Kramnik just continued to play, only Topalov would have looked foolish.
3.Topalov needs to not accept the forfiet and play game 5. He has to accept some responsibility here and agree to play match 5 is an honorable start.
4.On his own (as it wasn't a match condition) Kramnik should as much as possible try and limit his bathroom trips. He dosen't have to, but for the sake of the WC and chess I believe he should make an effort.
Anyway that's my 2 cents.
|Sep-30-06|| ||En prise: Is Topalov of such low moral character that he would throw a monkey wrench into the entire match by making false accusations because he is severely behind? And is Kramnik of such low moral character that he would run to the bathroom to somehow cheat?
I for one am giving both players the benefit of the doubt. Anyone would be suspicious of an opponent who runs to the toilet as often as Kramnik has. Still without any proof of wrongdoing on Kramnik's part, it was wrong to close his private bathroom. If he has done nothing wrong, then Kramnik is justified in sticking to his guns|
|Sep-30-06|| ||flapjack: The case is tough, because everyone is at fault! Kramnik invited suspicion by acting like an oddball going to the toilet so much. Hey, Kram, sit down and play the darn game like a normal human being. Topa acted like sore loser brat making insulting accusations. And FIDE made the wrong decision to change its own rules on the basis of innuendo. Kram then overreacted. The worst has been exposed in everyone. |
The only solution now: Fly in Bobby Fischer from Iceland to offer a diplomatic resolution everyone can accept!
|Sep-30-06|| ||suenteus po 147: <TheSlid: When this match is abandonded, I don't see that any organisation or individual will sponsor the next WC match. Who wants to pay big dough to be associated with this sort of fiasco?
Great going guys, true ambassadors for the game.> As it was, there was no outside sponsorship for THIS match. Kirsan, Kalmykia, and the FIDE executive committee put the money up for this match.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||square dance: <As it was, there was no outside sponsorship for THIS match.> thats 100% incorrect. UEP offered $1.4 million for a kramnik-topalov match.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||flapjack: There will be money offered for a rematch. Recall Fischer once played in a Cuban tournament remotely from an isolated room in the USA.. The rematch will be played in adjacent rooms on a computer screen, so the players will not have to meet, I imagine. Kramnik can have his toilet and stair-stepper and gallons of water. Topa can have his stuffed animals and pacifier.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||WannaBe: I believe, if you go to the official web-site, http://www.worldchess2006.com/main.... on the left hand side, there is a list of sponsors.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||TheSlid: <suenteus po 147> Yes, I am sure that you are right and that I read this, perhaps on this site. Many kibbitzers have bemoaned the lack of (particularly corporate) sponsorship for chess. This sort of behaviour by the elite players does not help the situation. Sponsorship is a form of marketing spend, which is supposed to generate positive exposure, amongst as many of the public as possible, for the sponsors. There will be safer ways to use the marketing budget than a chess match between players too self obsessed to be bothered to deliver.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Hanzo Steel: If the match goes forward, I think this controversy helps chess. The match has already made the front page of nytimes.com.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||NakoSonorense: The game looks interesting, but it seems to me kind of drawish. Why does Black win?|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Annie K.: Because White opened with the illegal K to WC1 move...|
|Sep-30-06|| ||NakoSonorense: Lol! I understand now. :)|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Open Defence: maybe <En prise> should walk up to Dainalov and say "Make my day, Punk!"|
|Sep-30-06|| ||ray keene: please -everyone -stop repeating this fabricated figure of 50 bathroom trips by kramnik-this is danailov propaganda and even the fide committee pointed out that it was exaggerated! when it is not your move you have the right to walk or go wherever you want so long as its within the stipulated rules.kramnik has been entirely faultless in this fiasco. as dr john nunn pointed out, after the accusations made against him to accept the closure of his washroom would have been tantamount to conceding that he had ben cheating. kramnik has been sucked into this against his will-just look at what i can only describe as smirks on the faces of topalov and danailov after topalov was awarded the game five forfeit.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Sneaky: <The case is tough, because everyone is at fault!> Yes I agree, the blame should be shared among FIDE, Topalov (and team), and Kramnik (and team). Nobody is innocent in this mess.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Zebra: <ray keene> Exactly.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Sneaky: <kramnik has been entirely faultless in this fiasco> I fault him for not bending to the ruling of the Appeals Committee. Don't get me wrong--I don't agree with the decisions of the committee--but sometimes you have to bend a little, even when you know you are in the right, for the sake of a higher good.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||suenteus po 147: <square dance: <As it was, there was no outside sponsorship for THIS match.> thats 100% incorrect. UEP offered $1.4 million for a kramnik-topalov match.> You're right, the UEP did offer to sponsor <a> match, but it was not <this> match. As you recall, Topalov and FIDE would not agree to the match with outside sponsorship, as it was not on their terms.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||ray keene: this is not a tough case-it shd be open and shut except that fide are heavily biassed in favour of topalov and are desperate for him to stay as champion. in my opinion very few people in the chess world will want to recognise topalov after this-my reading of the sites i have checked indicates around 95% support for kramnik with all strong players and top gms i have spoken to or read-including seirawan nunn and timman, as well as correspondents and publishers such as malcolm pein and byron jacobs ( everyman chess books) unanimous that topalov and danailov and fide have acted appallingly against the interests of chess.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||ray keene: i repeat and emphasise-as dr nunn points out-kramnik could not bend because he wd therebye have admitted he was cheating -it wd -as kasparov shows in his analysis ( MGP) of fischers demands- have been the start of a slippery slope. we had a very similar problem at london 2000 kasparov v kramnik, but because the arbiters were neutral and wanted to save the match-not get a specific result-and the appeal committe was absolutely neutral too-we solved the problem very easily with no publicity. dr eric schiller was the key to all this and can explain how we did it.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Open Defence: <it shd be open and shut> except that certain forces want to scuttle the match.. surely they don't believe Kramnik will play on if the forfeit sticks... more than getting a point by forfeit I am dead sure they wanted to scuttle this match...|
|Sep-30-06|| ||ray keene: <open defence> well put- indeed, i and several others i have spoken to-even believe that this might have been a premeditated plot involving several highly placed people to sabotage the match if kramnik started to win-in other words a conspiracy against kramnik. just look at what topalov has to lose-a place in the next wcc cycle plus the disappearance of his match v radjabov-much better to abort this match-claim he is still world champion and then collect his wcc place and the radjabov haul -a guaranteed $1m for him personally i believe.|
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