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| Sep-30-06 | | flapjack: <"History will remember Topalov as one of the best, if not the best, chessplayer to ever play the game."> Haha! We'll see. Capa, Fischer, and Kasparov in their prime were far more dominant and would not have missed moves as Topa did in games #1 & #2! Keep dreaming. Lay off the Bulgarian Kool-Aid. ;-) |
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| Sep-30-06 | | Rocafella: <flapjack> Don't try, its exhausting! Once <TrueBlue> removes his head from Topalov's a**, we can probably talk chess greats. I wouldn't be suprised if this guy markets Topalov products on ebay, or has a lock of his hair somewhere. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | Ziggurat: <Topalov is the best attacking player of the Kasparov era.> I would have thought Kasparov was the best attacking player of the Kasparov era. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | CapablancaFan: LOL. <Trueblue> is smoking something you can't buy out of your local supermarket.<flapjack> is right. Capablanca never would have missed a mating sequence as Topa did in game 2. LOL!!!!!! |
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| Sep-30-06 | | trevormkidd: <CapablancaFan: LOL. <Trueblue> is smoking something you can't buy out of your local supermarket.<flapjack> is right. Capablanca never would have missed a mating sequence as Topa did in game 2. LOL!!!!!!> Kramnik missed it too, so did Seirawan and as far as know Nigel Short. Clearly, these players are very inferior to Capablanca. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | Rocafella: <Capafan> I don't even think drugs can have that sort of effect on a person. Unless there is a superdrug that turns people into complete tossers! |
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| Sep-30-06 | | trevormkidd: <twinlark: As far as I can tell this fiasco has been getting very little publicity here in Oz.> Zero publicity here in Canada as well |
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Sep-30-06
 | | ray keene: i have just published a massive statistical analysis of all top players ever with prof nathan divinsky- who was the strongest? warriors of the mind edition 2 like it or not our analysis of 19 , 830 games between the elite produced this all time ranking order 1 kasparov
2 karpov
3 kramnik
4 botvinnik
5 smyslov
6 fischer
7 lasker
8 capablanca
topalov came in 22
short 45
seirawan 76
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| Sep-30-06 | | chessmoron: <Trueblue> There are no proof that Kramnik cheated. It's the stupid Danailov's screwed up paranoia that says Kramnik cheated. I hope you know Topalov cheated also in San Luis and there are significant evidence that proves Topalov's guilt. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | Rocafella: How did Topalov cheat in San Luis [chess]moron? (only kidding lol) |
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| Sep-30-06 | | square dance: <ray keene> what was the analysis based on? |
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| Sep-30-06 | | you vs yourself: <RayKeene> Where was Anand ranked? Why is there so much gap between him and Kramnik? |
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Sep-30-06
| | ray keene: anand came in tenth-the results are based on 19000+ games-every game we cd find-between 101 top players going back to staunton-there is also a chapter by statistician jeff sonas which records things like highest peak rating
top tournament results
top match results
years at the top
etc
anand came lower than kramnik because kramnik got better results! |
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| Sep-30-06 | | you vs yourself: <RayKeene> Sonas ranked Anand above Kramnik in 1 year, 3 year and 10 year peaks: http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Peak... Anand won 4 chess oscars while Kramnik won 1 or 2. Of course Kramnik did the unthinkable when he beat Kasparov. But I don't think there's that much difference between Anand and Kramnik. In terms of consistency, Anand might even be better than Kramnik. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | flapjack: Karpov at #2 is the surprise! Fischer gets a special pass, though, for going 20-0-0 during the Interzonal and Candidates against the top grandmasters in the world. Let's see Karpov and the rest do that! The final test across years is dominance in your own time. Capa only lost 6% of his tournament games, far lower than anyone else. He gets a pass too. |
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Sep-30-06
 | | Eric Schiller: I'm not a fan of statistics and would have Fischer at #3, when he lost to other stars he was usually younger and less erxperience. It is haed to define peak years. Kasparov is clearly in a clss by himself. The stats do not take into account the fact that it was easier to play tournaments in the old days because the many weak opponents made it much less strenuous. Players before Karpov didn't need as much stamina and that should somehow be taken into account. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | square dance: <ray keene> would consider listing the top 20-25 players in your profile for our enjoyment? :-D |
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| Sep-30-06 | | madkerrui: In 1972 Spassky v Fischer was front page news and there was a good outcome. This fiasco is generating nothing outside the chess world.Sam Goldwyn reputedly said all publicity is good, pity no one outside chess cares or even knows about this match. |
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Sep-30-06
| | ray keene: i have given the top 8 already
then korchnoi anand ivanchuk spassky morphy
alekhine came quite low number 20
i dont necessarily believe these figures tell the full truth it is just one way of looking at historical stength
my personal preferred list-as i state in the book is kasparov
lasker
botvinnik
capablanca
alekhine
fischer
morphy
steinitz
petrosian
karpov |
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| Sep-30-06 | | you vs yourself: Fischer should definitely rank above Kramnik. Kramnik has been trained in Soviet chess school since he was 12 and still never became #1 player. Fischer singlehandedly defeated the soviet chess machine. |
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Sep-30-06
| | ray keene: ps we didnt count forfeits-whats the betting -tho-that fide try to rate kramniks fifth game forfeit v topalov to try and keep topalov with the top rating? i wdnt bet against that proposition! |
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| Sep-30-06 | | madkerrui: The idea that it was easier to play in the "Old Days" is counter balanced by the fact that they did not have computers or data bases. Only their own skill and memory. Truth is that someone brilliant at anything would always be so. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | madkerrui: Keenes ratings look good to me |
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| Sep-30-06 | | flapjack: Yes, the learning curve was far more gradual and in the old days. You really had to struggle to learn. Keres walked miles to a library just to see a new chess book. Fischer hunted down obscure books in Russian, not even published in the USA. Today the USA champ has only a couple of chess books in his whole library. He just works with computers all the time. Far less detective work. It's all ready-made. |
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Sep-30-06
 | | lampton: <ray keene> I think FIDE will try very hard to stick to the original plan, which doesn't include coughing up Topalov's first full point. Game 5 is but one of many issues around which both players will need to save face in order to resolve the crisis. In my opinion this is far more of an issue for Kramnik. Had Topalov considered his dignity a priority, he wouldn't have initiated such scurrilous attacks on Kramnik. There are many stakeholders, each with their own interest to protect. I don't see a resolution, but I'll be as ecstatic as anyone to see the games resume. Game 5, that is. |
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