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|Oct-04-06|| ||RookFile: It's pretty ironic that Danailov can run around all over the place saying that Kramnik is a cheater, he's got the toilet hardwired to Fritz, etc. and not worry about libel, but the first time Kasparov brings up known accusations against Topalov, there is talk of civil action against Kasparov.|
|Oct-04-06|| ||T Ciddasselepoh: You're perfectly right. I wonder what the hell is wrong with Kramnik that he hasn't filed a lawsuit on Danailov by now.|
|Oct-04-06|| ||YouRang: <babywizard> I think our only point of disagreement concerns the importance of public opinion.|
Yes, if Topalov wins the court ruling, he will have legal claim to the title, and Kramnik will not.
However, this match was supposed to raise the stature of the 'chess champion' title to the same level of legitimacy that the championship titles of other sports enjoy.
This won't happen if the majority of GMs, chesswriters, and the chess public dispute the court ruling. The world of professional chess would still be in shambles, the 'unified' FIDE title will be a joke, and this match will have failed to achieve the goal that the chess world has long been seeking.
|Oct-04-06|| ||Paul123: This game may have been Kramnik's best so far|
|Oct-04-06|| ||powershaker: Let's face it! Kramnik is - sadly - going to be the new World Champion! I Russian! Screw the Russians! Bobby Fischer is still World Champion! And, I'll never believe otherwise!|
|Oct-04-06|| ||Caissanist: Why the hysteria about Danailov? These kinds of accusations are common in world championship matches--according to Eric Schiller, the exact same issue came up in the 2000 Kramnik-Kasparov match, and was resolved in about 20 minutes. What's different this time is FIDE's incompetence and/or favoritism in responding to the complaint, not anything Danailov's doing.|
|Oct-04-06|| ||Wild Bill: <babywizard>, <YouRang>|
Babywizard is making YouRang's point for him. If all Topalov has is a legalistic claim and FIDE's recognition, then his title is worthless.
That would be very unfortunate, since this match was supposed to reunify the title and will have only have served to deepen the schism.
It is now a good question whether FIDE has outlived its usefulness as an organization and that chess players need to reorganize under a new world governing body run by honest professionals.
|Oct-04-06|| ||iron maiden: <What's different this time is FIDE's incompetence and/or favoritism in responding to the complaint, not anything Danailov's doing.>|
Schiller only said that they received complaints by the Kasparov team about Kramnik's bathroom visits, and even these (to my knowledge) were never published as open letters. You'll have to ask Schiller to be sure, but I don't think that Owen Williams issued press releases insinuating that Kramnik was using computer assistance to cheat.
|Oct-04-06|| ||unferth: <Wild Bill: It is now a good question whether FIDE has outlived its usefulness as an organization and that chess players need to reorganize under a new world governing body run by honest professionals.>|
I'd say that's been a good question for the last three decades, at a minimum.
|Oct-04-06|| ||Wild Bill: <unferth: <I'd say [whether or not to bolt FIDE has] been a good question for the last three decades, at a minimum.>>|
When Campomanes ran FIDE in the eighties, one could say that all that was needed was a change in leadership. What did the movers and shakers in international chess have on their minds when they replaced him with an autocratic president of an autonomous Russian republic, two of whose former aides are in prison for the murder of an opposition journalist?
They didn't expect clean government from Kirasn, did they?
The disease is systemic. FIDE is no longer the solution. It is the problem.
|Oct-04-06|| ||ghaiethe: to have photos Topalov vs Kramnik
|Oct-04-06|| ||blakjak: first off the world of chess is far too split up to ever be fully reunited the only way i see it can be is if kramnik, topalov, anand, kasparov, karpov, and fischer all participate in a tournament and find out once and for all who is the best chess player. but of course cheating accusations would be thrown and stuff so with so many great and allgedly "unbeatable" chess players around i say the chess world has grown more contreversial its ever been|
|Oct-04-06|| ||ghaiethe: 23...Bb4!? Kramnik move
23.Nfxe4 24.Qxe4 Kh8! 25.Bxd5! the
only issue 25...Rxd5!
with an advantage :
the poor a-pawn
And the threatening f7-f5!
the power of Queen+Rook-c
|Oct-04-06|| ||CrystalFrost: <<blakjak<but of course cheating accusations would be thrown and stuff so with so many great and allegedly "unbeatable" chess players around i say the chess world has grown more controversial its ever been>>>|
I think the word "allegedly" doesn't fit here.Different people have different point of views and they have there their own opinions.Time is rolling on and age is also rolling so each age has its own so called "unbeatable player". so the players you mentioned falls like this:-
The last two can be cosidered at the same time
|Oct-04-06|| ||PaulLovric: <Tomlinsky: <RookFile: So, how does that link between the toilet and Fritz work? Is it wireless, or did somebody run a wire up to Kramnik's hotel room?>
Well, I shouldn't even actually be mentioning this but between you and me it's all down to the nano-LCD retinal implants my company helped to develop. The left eye is hooked up to a Topo-tailored online database with the right one showing the 6 main lines from Rocket Fritz running on a custom ARMpit based DSController.|
But how does he recieve the signal? Well, the secret to this is tied in with Vlad having had a Prince Arthur recently. Cunning these Russians.>
|Oct-05-06|| ||buoncri: Go Kramnik go !|
|Oct-05-06|| ||Tamerlan: In the 7th game we saw the scenario which is becoming habitual: Topalov gets some pressure, but Kramnik neutralizes it by an accurate defence. The Slav defence (which though transformed to the Queen's gambit accetped in this game) in his hands stays impenetrable. ................So, Kramnik keeps a minimal advantage in the match.|
|Oct-05-06|| ||cotdt: Actually it doesn't seem like Kramnik's defensive skills but Topalov failing to find the best moves to maintain his White advantage. GM Commentators have found great moves that Topalov should have chose, but didn't because he was too cautious, or maybe he didn't see them.|
|Oct-05-06|| ||TylerD: Blakjak: you´re makin it more difficult than it really is, this question regarding who is (currently) the strongest player in the world. Kramnik and Topalov, of course, both must be considered, but the rest of the list?
Anand - hardly better than Topa and Kram, if so he have already had his chance(s) of proving it.
Kasparov - yes, arguably still the best in the world. He won his last two tournaments in very impressive manner. However: he is retired, which still leaves us with Topalov and Kramnik.
Then the laughable stuff of your post...
Karpov - well, the man is an all-time-great, of course, but 12 years past his peak, which settles it: it is still down to T or K...
...and the true joke in your post: Fischer - Well... 30 (!) years past his peak... 30 years, not one or two or three - but 30. Forget the man!
So, this leaves us, still, with T and K. One of these two is the strongest (active) player in the world right now. To mix in Fischer and Karpov is like saying, hey, let s make Borg, McEnroe, Sampras, Courier and Federer meet each other in matches to find out who is really the best! Simply does not work...
K or T it is then... And this is good news, since it makes the ongoing match truly significant!
|Oct-05-06|| ||twinlark: <Honza Cervenka: ...we should not forget that Topalov is completely under influence/control of his "manager" (de facto his father, his mother, his trainer, his mentor and his protecter since Topalov's childhood) Danailov. In fact, he is a poor guy and I feel a lot of regret for him.>|
This has to be the most important thing to realise about Topalov. Danailov's had him in his clutches since he was 12, and is clearly controlling his life, using him as his milch cow.
Knowing this, I can't dislike Topalov, I just feel intensely sorry for the poor little bugger. Danailov comes across as a cold blooded and calculating parasite masquerading as a buffoon.
<Wild Bill: What did the movers and shakers in international chess have on their minds when they replaced [Campomanes] with an autocratic president of an autonomous Russian republic, two of whose former aides are in prison for the murder of an opposition journalist?>
What they saw was the money he was brandishing when FIDE was cash strapped. Money which, it would seem, was gouged from the impoverished Kalmyks.
The journalist was Larissa Yudina, crusading against corruption, and she was violently murdered during the 2002 election campaign in Kalmykia.
<The disease is systemic. FIDE is no longer the solution. It is the problem.>
Exactly right, Wild Bill, and throw in most of the national chess federations that voted for Kirsan.
What is it about organised chess that attracts this level of corruption, incompetence and stupidity?
|Oct-05-06|| ||Richard Taylor: <Stevens: <richard taylor><Is there a reason Topalov as a greater rating?>|
i think if they both had to play 10 other players, and not eachother, to decide who was better, Topalov could win. His attacking style would likely produce more wins than Kramnik.
However, in a one on match, this style isn't such an advantage against Kramnik specifically. One on one, Kramnik may have an edge.
Therefore, whilst his rating is higher, it may not translate to one on one encounters with much reliability.>
I aggree overall - I was replying to <Eggman> (I think it was) who seem rather vigilant -but I agree mostly - I felt this match might have been longer - disputes aside. krmankis pwer hosue bt I dont think we have seen them play together enough -well I haven't - to gain an idea of their respective abilities - I have a sneaking sympathy for Topalov's creative playing style - Kramnik - I know he can be creative and is deep - but in this match has played rather dully - (but such dullnes may have been forced by the fact that Topalov has had better positions overall in most games and has forced him onto the defence). And I think Kramnik was lucky in games 1 & 2. But he is indeed a python of the Chess board!
I certainly don't think either of them have ever cheated - that is an absurd notion.
(Alternatively one or both have been cheating for a very long time!)
|Oct-05-06|| ||herby rawley: the way najdorf was "the god's gift" to panno
and tal to korchnoi
so topalov to kramnik.....he drains aggression and forces the tactician to assume unwise risk and then brushes off the harum scarum and mops up
caesar fought such a campaign in spain all ala sun tzu
|Oct-06-06|| ||kevin86: I think Kramnik gave up on the win a little too easily here-but I'm no expert-Ijust thought that being a pawn to the good,that he could create more play.|
|Mar-23-07|| ||AAAAron: In the pictures above, the picture in the lower left corner appears to show Kramnik dancing, as Topalov appears to be studying Kramniks dance moves. Kramnik is known to do a little dance after he makes a good move. It's the newest thing, everybody's doing it, DO THE KRAMNIK!!!!|
|Dec-24-08|| ||WhiteRook48: The Kramnik dance|
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