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Veselin Topalov vs Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006), Elista RUS, rd 11, Oct-10
Slav Defense: Quiet Variation. Schallopp Defense (D12)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Oct-10-06  Ulhumbrus: <noendgame: The crucial question for the analysts: did Kramnik really have a chance to win? It certainly seemed so for awhile. Or was that simply an illusion caused by temporary better mobility for black?> 40...Rg2 instead of 40...Rd5 might have won, to mention only one alternative for Black.
Oct-10-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  dzechiel: What about 58 ...Kg5 followed by ...Rxf5. Does that give black winning chances with the bishop and two pawns against the rook?
Oct-10-06  Paul123: Quote from blazerdoodle: "No wonder Kasparov ditched FIDE."

He ditched FIDE because they wouldn't let him dictate his own terms. When Kasparov performed his coup, Chess as a sport took a major step backwards. Gone was the only creditable (and respectable) way of getting (and finding) a challenger to the title. (A serious blow…the focal point behind chess as a sport is the championship!)

Left in its stead was the pathetic overblown rating system which decided who was the world’s best. (Hence all the pacifistic chess resulting in draws… “Would you risk loosing if you were in the top ten and you whole income came from endorsements and appearance fee’s base solely from your rating?

Did I mention the next Champion after Kasparov…i.e. (Kramnik) who was/is conducting himself like Capablanca and Alekhine deciding when and who to play for the crown?

Instead of being a respectable sport with a healthy professional base, chess sunk to the level of professional boxing. Yea! Kasparov!

Next time you’re watching poker on TV….thank Kasparov for giving professional chess the kick in the teeth it didn’t deserve.

Oct-10-06  ghaiethe: 6.5 5.5 ?

7 5 ?

Oct-10-06  gogoto: <Topalov is where he's at in a tied match because he successfully knocked Kramnik out of his rhythm using garbage like throwing manure. It works. That's the shame of it.> What the hell are you talking about? Topalov breaking Kramnik´s rhythm? Man - please don´t embarrass yourself. What about the fact that Topalov agreed to play in a former Soviet Country - it´s like going into the enemy´s camp, with a sign "I´m stupid" on his head! Yes, this is a sure sign that he is trying to break Kramniks komfort... What about the fact that Kramnik went, on average 55 times a game to his toilet! The only place lacking a camera... Come on - 55 times a game! What is that? A small blatter? I don´t think so... I think Topalov had right to be suspicious of Kramnik, that´s no childish behavior, or an awful character. This is common sense. If you are playing a world champion title match - would you prefer to be in front of the board or walk in and out of the toilet like crazy? Kramnik spent over 2 hours a game in his locker room - then when they wanted the video recordings from the room, the Russians refused to show them... And then - of course, Topalov is trying to break Kramnik´s concentration... Get a job!
Oct-10-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <55 times a game> Hey, a new troll!
Oct-10-06  noendgame: <What is that? A small blatter? I don´t think so.> Words to live by.
Oct-10-06  iron maiden: So it's 55 times a game now? That's up by five from the previous week's overblown lie. Why don't you people keep going and see if you can get it down in history as a hundred?
Oct-10-06  gogoto: And one more thing - speaking of breaking concentration, in the early games, Kramnik's locker room was completely unwatched, whereas Topalov's was supervised by 6 policemen! Something like an international terrorist... Also the first two games, in addition to the metal detector, unlike Kramnik, Topa was scanned with a mine detector. Ok, after that - how can someone concentrate in the game... Then, when they put some supervision in his rest room, Kramnik behaves like an offended child and doesn't want to play anymore... and of course Topa should give him a replay - do you think so? But no - you are right, Topa had no point in complaining in those things, this is silly, childish and offensive against the poor Kramnik... I'm sick of this type of behaviour, when noone watches the beauty of the game - the result is important! I guess Kramnik managed to learn something from Kasparov and plays it masterfully...
Oct-10-06  gogoto: It actually is 55 - Counted by the commision in the videorecordings... It's seriously official hahahahah
Oct-10-06  mdamien: <keypusher: <55 times a game> Hey, a new troll!>

They've probably been recruiting under the bridges.

Oct-10-06  gogoto: OK, sorry, I just read it. It's OVER 50 times... If they were 55, then it would have been suspicious... But it's only slightly over 50, so I guess we should not discuss it further. He has a small bladder, a diarrhea, or a bad constipation, that needs some movement to get out, whatever, 50 times is perfectly normal.
Oct-10-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  zapzowie: I admit to wanting Kramnik to win this thing from the start. That does not take away from the fact that Topalov has played some incredible chess over the last few years. However his behavior in this match has lowered his reputation among the majority of chess fans. He needs some major rehabilitation in terms of public relations in the chess world. If I was his PR guy I would advise him to give back that forfeit win. That would go a long way to help people forget about the way he and his team have conducted themselves in this match.
Oct-10-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  tamar: If Leko or Kramnik himself were playing White, we might have seen the b5 theme of the endgame emerge with winning chances.

29 Kf3 Bf6 30 Bxe6 fxe6 31 Rb3 g5 32 fxg5 Bxg5 33 h4 Bd2 34 b5 Rf4+ 35 Ke2 Bb4 36 bxc6 bxc6 37 Rf3! Shredder 8 on Deep Analysis


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Oct-10-06  drchess9999: Cant chessgames filter narrow minded people like gogoto? I am here in search of intellectual chess acuity not some repugnant retard that cant see the truth.
Oct-10-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: <drchess9999> My only suggestion is to put <gogoto> on you're ignore list if you don't wish to read the posts.
Oct-11-06  Dionyseus: I don't get it, why did Topalov deviate with 8.Rb1? 8.a3 worked for him in game 9, so why didn't he go with it again?
Oct-11-06  whatthefat: <Dionyseus>
Probably for the very reason that he'd already played it, and so it had lost its surprise value; i.e., he feared a stronger reply from a better prepared Kramnik.
Oct-11-06  polydiatonic: I can't even believe these guys played the last 20 or so moves of this pointless opposite colored bishops ending. I think each was waiting for the other to blunder. Really pointless stuff.
Oct-11-06  dejavu: So Kramnik is where he wishes to be. Well-rested, white pieces, last game point of no return. should he dare to be adventurous or would he chicken out and go for the tie-breaks with favorable conditions for him. the 2nd option though attractive and above all safe, it is laden with perils. one is psychological, and two Topa has improved by leaps in rapid chess. the match itself is testimony and his margin of more than 30 minutes attests to it. K must go for a win, but I am afraid that is what Topa is expecting and surely he'll have his own brew of strategic defence initiative. Tough call: but Topa may prevail after all as the pressure is on the other side to demonstrate his winning ways or else!
Oct-11-06  Hincho: <zapzowie> At last sanity has arrived. I share your views entirely and agree that Topalov has indeed played some fantastic chess over the past couple of years.It would be a great pity if this match is remembered for the negative content rather than the keenly fought battle between two superb and different players.I think the only one who can redeem its status is, as you suggest Topalov, by declining the forfeiture of game 5 and asking for the game to be played.Only then would the victor be able to claim the World Crown. Only then would the match regain its credibility as a title bout. Only then would chess be best served.
Oct-11-06  gogoto: <drchess9999>, sorry if I hurt your affection towards Kramnik.:) I don't want to argue with you... It's no point. Ah, and please watch your language. You are behaving worse than a Siberian mine worker, who's vodka was stolen:) <I am here in search of intellectual chess acuity>, stop playing smart, man, if you were, you would have just gone past the comment. I agree, Kramnik is a great player. They are both great players. But the match wasn't fair right from the beginning and now everyone is against Topa for the game he stole from the viewers... OK, maybe you have right, he should have replayed it - for the sake of chess, but isn't Kramnik the first to act in this manner by not coming to the game... Why, because the terms all of a sudden became equal for both of them. Well, I may be a retard, because I don't understand that:) Topa just didn't turn his other cheek and now everyone is against him... Well I'm not - he plays with amazing, unique style, in this "age of draws", he added a lot freshness in the sport, and have won me over!
Oct-11-06  macjoubert: I'm really curious to see how aggressive Topalov will be with Black.He has won with Black but can he recreate the drive? About the fiasco,<gogoto> You must understand that be that as it may, team Topa have made some pretty cheap accusations , the proof of which is in thin air. Topalov is pants down (no pun intended) the better player more exciting as well, but his name is tarnished big time. Even Anand is now supporting Kramnik, go figure!
Wish Topa wins all the same.
Oct-12-06  ARTIN: <Well I'm not - he plays with amazing, unique style, in this "age of draws", he added a lot freshness in the sport, and have won me over!>

And the Bulgarian patriots keep on coming...

Nov-04-07  blazerdoodle: I forgot how far back these messages go, and lost track when it dropped off of immediate list. But I found this.

PAUL123 : <He ditched FIDE because they wouldn't let him dictate his own terms.>

But why shouldn’t Kasparov dictate his own terms? In 1984, look at how the corrupt FIDE handled him. You have to see this. They had to protect their baby (Karpov) against the clearly fitter Kasparov, who was climbing back from how many draws? Mistake or not, who wouldn’t expect him to pull stakes if he could? FIDE was and is clearly corrupt, and it hasn’t been fixed.

Was there something wrong with the terms of the Short Kasparov duel? What did Kasparov dictate? Granted, he blew it later.

I don’t totally disagree with you - I don’t know enough to, but FIDE is a mess. Look at how they handled ToiletGate.

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