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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)  ·  Semi-Slav Defense: Meran Variation (D47)  ·  1-0
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Jul-10-08  Jim Bartle: From October 2006:

"acirce: I can bet all my remaining chessbucks that they will find a way to include Topalov anyway, of course. Why would they not let him sneak in if there is some way they could. And they can."

Hope nobody took the bet...

Jul-18-08  The Ninth Pawn: From Game Collection: The Ninth Pawn's Chess Course :

In Kramnik vs Topalov, 2006 , Black missed 45. ♖b6-b7+! and 46. ♖a5x♖c5+! which would make White a rook to the good. And a top player overlooked this! ZWISCHENZUG is not to be taken as trivial!

Jul-18-08  KamikazeAttack: <notyetagm: <percyblakeney: 19. ... Ne4 is a move engines claim gives black a rather clear advantage...> Really? How big?

>

Big enough to lose? lol.

What a plesant day tha was for many across the chess world.

I heard many cold crows were consumed like never before.

Aug-15-08  ravel5184: <Pi Guy>, Topalov doesn't leave his Rook hanging on move 44! The White Rook on b6 is also hanging and will be taken if 45. Rxc5+!
Jan-10-09  WhiteRook48: wow. Kramnik wins Topalov.
Feb-01-09  WhiteRook48: great game
Mar-10-09  WhiteRook48: why is this won?
Mar-30-09  WhiteRook48: because 45 Rb7+ never mind
Sep-12-09  WhiteRook48: but it's still a blunder
Dec-12-09  easternthoughts: after Rxc5, ...Rb7+, black would have to take the rook on b7 and then white would play ...Rxc5+ Kb6, ...axb7 and black would have to take the pawn and be a rook down or white would promote
Mar-29-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Golden Executive: Up to now, no engines can save the game for black at 44. If im wrong please let me know.
Mar-30-10  Wrong: <Golden Executive:> Up to now, no engines can save the game for black at 44. If im <<wrong>> please let me know.

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after white's 44th move, i believed white is already ahead.

here the engine evaluation after white's 44th move:

Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov, Kramnik-Topalov World Championship Match 2006


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Analysis by Deep Fritz 8:

1. (1.75): 44...e6-e5 45.Bf1-e2 Bg6-f5 46.g2-g3 h7-h5 47.Rb6-b3 g7-g5 48.h2-h4 g5xh4 49.g3xh4 Bf5-e6 50.Rb3-b4 f7-f5 2. (1.92): 44...Rc2-c1 45.Bf1-e2 Rc1-c3+ 46.Ke3-d2 Rc3-c2+ 47.Kd2-d1 h7-h6 48.h2-h4 Bg6-f5 49.g2-g4 Bf5-h7 50.Ra5-b5 Ra7-a8 51.f3-f4 Ra8-d8+

you can see white is already ahead.
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so probably you are not <wrong>.

=)

Mar-30-10  Atking: Kramnik in Karpov mood, building advantage after another. Always a pleasure to look.
Mar-30-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Golden Executive: Hey Mr <Wrong> please excuse me for trying to usurp. Now you resolved my identity issue. Seems like im not <wrong>. Thanks for your <psycho>analysis
Mar-31-10  Wrong: maybe you should look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrong

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...

http://thesaurus.com/browse/wrong

http://dictionary.reference.com/bro...

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/

http://lesswrong.com/

http://www.wrongobject.com/

May-10-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  acirce: It's been 3 years. How would the chess world have looked today if this one single rapid game had ended 0-1 instead of 1-0?
Nov-15-10  talisman: a whole lot worse...
Nov-16-10  Pencho: That was the time Topa played his best chess..Sadly he failled to win the title that in my opinion he deserved.

If we don't count the 5th game it woudl've been 3:2 for Kramnik.However it should've been 3:2 for Topa..

It's all about game two - first Topalov missed the win after Kramnik's 31st move, then he missed a forced draw and ended up loosing a game he should've won.

Realy sad story.

Oct-24-11  AnalyzeThis: Not really. The better player won.
Jan-08-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  notyetagm: Kramnik vs Topalov, 2006

Game Collection: FORCING MOVES SHOW YOU WHERE THE PIECES *REALLY* 44 ... Rc2xc5?? does not remove guard due to 45 Rb6-b7+! 1-0

Jan-08-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  notyetagm: Kramnik vs Topalov, 2006

Game Collection: FORCING MOVES SHOW YOU WHERE PIECES *REALLY* ARE 44 ... Rc2xc5?? does not remove guard due to 45 Rb6-b7+! 1-0

Jan-08-13  jussu: One think keeps puzzling me: Topalov had this same "obvious" blunder available on move 43, but instead he firs gave that strange check, driving white king to a move active square, and only then grabbed the pawn. I mean if Rxc5 actually didn't blunder the rook, would you prefer 43... Rxc5 or 43... Rc2+?
Jan-08-13
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  notyetagm: <jussu: One think keeps puzzling me: Topalov had this same "obvious" blunder available on move 43, but instead he firs gave that strange check, driving white king to a move active square, and only then grabbed the pawn. I mean if Rxc5 actually didn't blunder the rook, would you prefer 43... Rxc5 or 43... Rc2+?>

Good point. But as a big Topalov supporter at the time, I clearly remember Topalov's play be marred by several horrible ?? moves.

Dec-29-13  thegoodanarchist: 21...Nxc3?? forks the White rooks, but after 22.Bxe7+ White is winning.
May-18-15
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  offramp: <jussu: One think keeps puzzling me: Topalov had this same "obvious" blunder available on move 43, but instead he firs gave that strange check, driving white king to a move active square, and only then grabbed the pawn. I mean if Rxc5 actually didn't blunder the rook, would you prefer 43... Rxc5 or 43... Rc2+?>

That is a brilliant observation!

Watch this for a real oddity:

Two years earlier Kramnik is playing Leko in the last game, the 14th game, of the Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004). He is losing 2-1 and needs a win to draw the match and retain his title. It is sort of similar to this game: a final crunch game that decides the title.

Here is what I wrote about this position, which appeared after Kramnik as white played 34.f4!


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Kramnik vs Leko, 2004

<Leko analyses that he can't take the d-pawn, so what does he do? 34... Ra2+ 35.Kf3 Ra3+ 36.Kg4. And now, having chased the king into the centre of the board, he resumes his attack on the d-pawn!


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36...Rd3. As if the attack might work *now* - now that the white king is so much better placed.>

I think that is a strange coincidence that in two final games both challengers made a pointless rook check.

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